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Should Germany aquire nuclear weapons?
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We already have nuclear participation with the US. In case NATO decides for mutual nuclear defense, the US nuclear bombs stored in Germany exclusively for German use would be attached to airplanes of the German Air Force to be deployed onto their targets.
And what if the orange man and his friend Putin differs?
There is still the Fr*nch sub's that Macron just offered to be a shared EU resource.
And what happens if Le Pen wins the next election?
About the same thing as if the AfD does.
We get fucked, my friend. And that's why establishing a shared EU army to pass the nukes to would be good for everyone.
It's funny, after the breakup of USSR there existed for a few years such an entity as "CIS armed forces". It does not anymore because national governments want to control their own militaries.
National governments don't give a fuck about their own armies until they need them. Ironically, most CIS countries needed their armies to defend against Russia.
EU countries can not wage wars against one other, armies or not, as everyone knows that the whole bloc's economy would crash instantly as soon as we stopped trading. If German tanks rolled across France again, their crews would starve, as would the French defenders before they could kill each other.
The only reasonable use for an army in modern Europe beyond imperialistic outings with the US to countries who deserve better is to defend against Russia (and maybe China).
France and the US are the only two NATO countries able to build nukes.
Theoretically the UK are able to build nukes too but not without US support.
The Montebello Islands disagree.
You technically could build a nuke with enough enriched uranium. The recipe for a nuke is literally:
You need a particular kind of nuclear reactor to create the enriched uranium, though. But for example in Ukraine, the Chornobyl reactor was built exactly for that.
That said, the US, the UK and France are the only three NATO countries allowed under international agreement to build nukes.
*plutonium. Enriched uranium comes from taking natural uranium and enriching the content of a specific isotope (235U), typically with centrifuges, gaseous diffusion and/or magnetic separation in a synchrotron. The enriched uranium can be used in a weapon, or it can be used as fuel for a nuclear reactor to make 239Pu from 238U.
Thanks, my nuclear chemistry was a bit rusty.
Not sure what you mean by "for German use". The US is very much in charge of every step of the use of shared nuclear weapons. Our pilots get to deliver them, that's pretty much all of our involvement.
What if the USA decides to side with Russia against Germany?
well if the bombs are located inside Germany it's not all that simple
Good luck using them unless you're allowed to. Might be an option if you have a couple of months. Though you would have to defend against two nuclear powers during that time.
Also good luck using your US made jets and critical components.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure if Germany and the US were on so bad terms that they wouldn't be trading, Western civilization would just collapse. The NL of ASML fame is a very, very close German ally.
I believe that with the new US administration (and US popular opinion), one could go from good terms to bad over night. I would not trust that the US adhere to article 5 if things become serious for real. Why should they start a nuclear war just because their semi-friend forces itself upon a woke central European country? Things were completely different during the cold War.
Oh, you're thinking, what if the US invades Germany?
So you see, there is one reason we keep the French around beyond baguettes and wine, it's their ability to turn all major US cities into a radioactive wasteland regardless of what happens to the rest of the EU.
And the French are willing to do that and are obligated to beyond NATO as well.
Well it actually is, terrifyingly so even.
That's how I know you're European. America hates Russia. The cold war left generational trauma.
You do not have to worry about America siding with Russia.
JFC, have you been under a rock the last decade? The majority of American population? Maybe. The oligarchs and ruling class? Pft, Trump looks up to Putin as a 'strong man'. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/trump-putin-ukraine-russia-smart/index.html
If Germany can't use the bomb without the US approbation then Germany does not have a nuclear bomb.
Germany does not have a credible deterrence.