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Dem party of NC seems to be just as useless as the rest of the democratic party
Ah yes, it's the Democratic party at fault that the Republican party while they still had a veto proof majority ram thru changes.
Dems rolled over to gerrymandering decades ago. The reason NC has a statewide Dem in office and a supermajority GOP legislature stems from the Bush Era redistricting that stacked the state legislature in the GOP's favor.
Dems had multiple opportunities to fix gerrymandering at the federal level and flubbed it every time.
Almost like they don't really want to win at all. They just want you to donate
Yup, everything evil republicans do is actually democrats fault. That's a totally cool and not at all moronic position.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/26/us/politics/north-carolina-republicans-gerrymander.html
No one party can do it alone
It's a team effort
show me where republicans put forth a plan to end gerrymandering and democrats blocked it.
I'm not sure if you're phrasing this backwards deliberately. But Dems in the House passed the For the People Act while Dems in the Senate (Manchin, most particularly) killed it. A compromise bill was crafted (by Manchin!), but Manchin and Sinema refused to exempt it from the filibuster in a rules vote.
This was in 2021, of course. Dems had an even better opportunity in 2009, when they were sitting on bigger majorities. But, again, they dawdled and delayed and let guys like Lieberman play footsie with the opposition.
Efforts to fix the disparity in the Senate by granting DC Statehood (and effectively guaranteeing Dems gain two additional Democrat seats) have also stalled in Congress indefinitely, going all the way back to the 1990s.
In the meantime, Republicans turn the ratchet rightward by further gerrymandering districts, stacking courts, and expanding the pool of ineligible voters through caging/voter registration purges/etc. They've been at this since the early 2000s, and every cycle gives us more lopsided state legislatures. Wisconsin's GOP can hold a supermajority with as little as 40% of the popular vote, for instance.
lol ok Manchin and Sinema, two big democrats! Yup! it's laughable you'd try to paint them as such. your disingenuous trolling is some top tier useless garbage
When Republicans hold office with a slim majority, they've got the power to end democracy
When Democrats hold office with a slim majority, the majority doesn't count and nobody can do anything.
that just sounds like you're bragging about how corrupt and spineless your fellow republicans are
I will never forgive them for doing such a shit job at vetting candidates that a democratic member would flip republican and give them the decisive majority. The NC dems were saved by an even more dogshit republican machine this cycle
That is fucking ridiculous. The woman who flipped was the daughter of an extremely popular Dem state legislature member.
So nepotism? Imagine voting for someone because political dynasty.
Don't give a fuck who she is, she was meeting with republicans durring the campaign, they need to do a better job of picking candidates. No more nepotism hires
Nothing will change with dems in power. They won't do anything to oppose republicans, no matter how much power they hold. Yes, it is their fault, bc they never, for any reason, oppose things that republicans do, even when it's easy to do so
Rule 1 of the liberal rules of engagement: if someone disagrees with you or isn't a consummate eater of democratic ass, personally attack them
I attack defeatist attitudes, for sure.
There is one party that has tangibles that is open to positive change and the structure to implement that change. To toss out the baby with he bathwater is ridiculous. The party isnt useless. It's influence-able and malleable. So yes, I will discard attitudes of defeat.
I think we better get used to this shit. This is the pivot now they they got Trump elected: to sow discord among the left so that any possible opposition is neutered before it even has a chance.
And so many useful idiots on the left will eat it up because of that one Lenin book they read in college said so.
This is how Republicans keep power forever.
They're just a troll, dude.
Yeah I tagged the user being a dick here as "third party zealot, reported for harassment" so my experience with them reflects yours as well
When have democrats ever been open to change? And when have their voters ever demanded change? You're all going to sit by and let Trump and the GOP do whatever the fuck they want, because to oppose them in any way would be rude and disrespectful. Democrats are worse than useless, bc their goal is to be slightly left of republicans at all times, making them a right wing party with absolutely no interest in ever moving left unless republicans somehow also went left. If you still think they're going to resist fascism in any remotely meaningful way, I've got a bogo deal on some bridges for you
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Seriously how fucking hard is it for yall to admit you seriously fucked up this election and alienated a shit ton of voters that could have won you the election? Or that you don't actually care about social or economic change? Democrats fucking suck, and if you want even the tiniest chance of winning another election the solution is not to go "after hitler, our turn" and suck republican cock, it's to start actually appealing to people who aren't fucking republicans
You mean the bureau that Trump is gonna destroy and democrats will watch it happen? Strange, for some reason liberal accomplishments never get locked in, so they can just be undone later. I wonder why that is
Really tho if that's your only example of democrats ever doing anything to oppose conservatives, that proves my point perfectly
Whoa, i was with you up until one of your sentances.
Dont disparage the voters, weve been demanding change from the dems for years. Its the party leaders that are at fault. The DNC will not allow a decent person to run as our candidate, which is why the DNC needs to be removed. Personally, I think the leaders of the dnc should be at least kicked out of the country, maybe out of life. You dont get to be just as bad as the republicans and still get to enjoy being taken seriously.
Fair enough, I didn't mean all dem voters, it'd be weird if I did since I voted Harris lol. I was more talking about shitlibs who think any criticism of Biden's policies or calls for more action to stop genocide in Gaza is basically support for trump, I should've worded it better. Tbh if there's any chance for democrats to win in 4 years (there won't) I might still vote for them in the vague hope that the far right will cannibalize itself and die with cheetoman, but the fact that they won this time around and democrats' compete and total cooperation have pretty much killed my trust in them as far as trying to stop fascism or fundamentally improve anything that won't be undone with the next republican president
Yeah, i knew what you meant, I was just being a shitlord.
I 100% agree. The republican party is actually malicious, and the dems are useless. Anyone campaigning for either party is at best ignorant and at worst evil. The solution no longer lies in parties, the solution lies in forcing everyone to understand that we are no longer asking. Its time for people to actually demand that the world improves, and if you stand in the way of that, you dont get to experiance the world. Worst part is that the malicious and ignorant are no longer just the US' problem, Trump is going to fuck the entire planet.
Third parties should maybe stop being Russian asset dipshits and then what you're saying might turn into something other than pointlessly raging into the void.
The NC Dems just won the Governor, Lt. Governor, Attorneys' General, Superintendent, NC Supreme Court Seat, and broke the GOP super majority in the state legislature
The last is really important because it will make the secret vote meetings harder or impossible for the GOP. The ones where the GOP made sure the few Democrat members would be not present for votes they wanted to win. Having to cheat to get bills passed, they must be so proud of themselves.
As for the title, I think they've tried this a number of times with past governors. They really, really hate that veto power that gets in their way of domination.
Might be time to pull a GOP and do whatever they want anyway. "Think like an asshole" should be the Dems mantra for the next 4 years if not beyond.
Why we would ever go back to civility politics is beyond me. Cilivilty politics are planning for defeat, as everyone can clearly see. And yet despite that, I will eat an entire plane if the dems actually change for the better in any way.
Calm down, Monsieur Mangetout; you'd have to wait for the pig to land it first.
Why are people on this website so obsessed with defending the democratic party. I don't understand what they are trying to accomplish.
For anyone wondering, I have this guy tagged as a fascist.
lol
You'd rather dismiss everything I'm saying under the pretense of me being an undercover fascist then rethink your world view.
Good for you.
"Undercover"?
I'm having a hard time believing you're coming at this discussion in good faith. But by all means explain why you think I'm a fascist.