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Nearly 70 percent of deaths in Gaza are women and children: UN
(www.aljazeera.com)
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"But these other conflicts are okay, why can't Israel do one?" I fail to see the comparison with these other conflicts, where neither has 2 million people in a giant open air concentration camp being starved of food, water, electricty, sanitation, and then getting bombed by US/UK sold weapons. Yes those conflicts are terrible, the Sudanese civil war is terrible with over 60,000 deaths so far, we just want Gaza to not top that as the Lancet reckons Gaza is facing at least 186,000 deaths - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext - The problem is there can't be an accurate count because Israel won't let independent investigators in, also unlike the other conflicts you mentioned where independent investigations ARE allowed in. The fact that you'd point out these other conflicts, only to compare Israel to them as being MORE dishonest, doesn't help Israels cause or your own. No matter what you say, you won't convince us to accept genocide when it's happening to Palestinians or anyone else.
Oh, OK, thanks, that was genuinely helpful. If I understood correctly, you think I'm trying to convince you that "Israel = good", so you mentally add "and that's why Israel is in the right" after what I said, and are replying to that instead of what I actually said. I'm absolutely not trying to convince anyone Israel is in the right here, or that they aren't committing genocide. Not saying I agree or disagree with you on the subject, just saying that's not what I'm talking about. This started out as me pointing out that the reason people are saying Hamas are using civilians as human shields is because that's what's they're doing. Now I'm trying to understand why people focus so much on Gaza and are giving Hamas a free pass for what's going on there.
It wasn't a comparison. I took the criteria you gave (number of casualties) and applied it to other situations. Which seemed to be productive because now you've given me new criteria. The only one that's unique is western support. I get that - as (probably?) a citizen of a western country, you don't want your tax money financing genocide. But that's more a criticism against your government, and, more importantly to my interest in the conversation, it doesn't explain the visceral hate people seem to have towards Israel in particular.
That's what I'm asking - why do you "just want Gaza to not top that" and don't seem to care that much about what's going on Sudan? (I'm talking about the discourse among the, and I'm hoping I'm using the correct term, progressive left).
According to your own source, there can't be an accurate account because "Collecting data is becoming increasingly difficult for the Gaza Health Ministry due to the destruction of much of the infrastructure."