Yeah this demonstrates a complete lack of understanding and probably an unwillingness to try to understand. As a cis-gender individuals you and I can't know what it's like to be trans, but we can listen to those who do know and try to understand to the best of our abilities. You clearly don't wish to, but I have listened and I try to understand because I wish to be a decent human being.

My friends and family who are trans have said they knew from very young ages that they are not the gender they may have been biologically born as.

Also once you know you are trans one of the first steps is to take medications that prevent puberty from occuring which allows a much easier and cleaner transition later in life as well as allowing them to present as the gender they wish to present as. Preventing access to this kind of medical care until they are 18 is severely detrimental.

Gender affirming medical care is critical because the suicide rates of trans people who are not able to transition are incredibly high and rates of regret for those who are able to receive transition surgery is so shocking close to zero.

TL;DR you're wrong and an asshole for choosing not to learn otherwise

[–] TheMage@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow - finishes up with the usual insults. Relax, bruh. What exactly is "gender affirming care" anyways? Cutting genitals off of young boys/girls who might be simply confused or following the latest trend? They cant vote, drive after 9pm, buy a gun, get a tattoo, etc. until they are 18 but you and your kind are fine with hacking them up much younger than that. Pretty sick, sorry.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What exactly is “gender affirming care” anyways?

For minors most commonly it is to delay puberty and I believe in some cass may also involve hormone replacement therapy (HRT), but the most inportant part is combining the medical treatment with psychological counseling and treatment to help with the transition as well. It's not easy being born with the wrong biological gender

Cutting genitals off of young boys/girls

The only people cutting off the genitals of young boys are people who insist on and continue to encourage circumcision. Female genital mutilation is thankfully continuing to be an increasingly rare practice.

you and your kind are fine with hacking them up much younger than that.

Who is "my kind" exactly and when did I say I'm "fine with hacking them up"?

What I actually support is compassionate individualized care appropriate for the individual based on the ongoing best practices established by the industry. I am not a medical expert, nor do I work in medicine, however those that are experts and have extensive experience and research in these areas have already established the significant mental health benefits of access to age- and developement-appropriate gender affirming care to all who need it.

Honestly the only thing I need to tell which side of history I want to be on is to see how happy people are once they begin treatment and begin presenting as who they really are. There is a glow of happiness in every trans person I've seen after beginning HRT that was simply not present beforehand. You have to truly be an asshole to want to take that away from people.

So yes, I think you're an asshole based on the opinions you've stated, and I hope you can learn to have some compassion for your fellow human. You might even make some friends along the way

[–] TheMage@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plenty of friends as is, thanks. This all sounds good on paper until you read about horror stories and how quote a few people that fell for this regret it, big time. This gender "thing" has exploded over the last 4-5 years. Are you really certain that there isnt a LOT of "hey, me too" going on with this? There are just magically all these gender-confused people suddenly? A lot of people are having trouble buying into that idea. We all know that there are legit cases of true hermies and other statistical outliers. But this gender thing is dominating like everything now. Its the 2020's version of a counter culture. Homo-sexuality was mostly accepted, so now people have to move onto the "next thing", it seems since being gay isnt controversial enough.

As for compassionate care - yeah, fine. But to me, that should start with why they feel the way they do. How did a boy feel as if hes a girl? Same for the opposite. lets get to the root cause of this which to me is what needs to be addressed & managed. Id rather see these people helped to regain their biological identity so they can live a normal life. That seems more compassionate to me.

[–] darq@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This all sounds good on paper until you read about horror stories and how quote a few people that fell for this regret it, big time.

That's called cherry-picking.

This gender “thing” has exploded over the last 4-5 years. Are you really certain that there isnt a LOT of “hey, me too” going on with this? There are just magically all these gender-confused people suddenly?

Yes there is, but that's not a bad thing.

Part of the apparent increase in the number of transgender people is simply that people are more open about being transgender, rather than hiding it. And because being transgender is being made into a political issue by bigots, trans people are more visible. Previously trans people would simply get on with their transition, and live their lives unaccosted.

But secondly with an increase in visibility, a lot of people are realising, "Wait, other people feel the same way as I do?" These people were always transgender, they have just been given the words to understand and describe their experiences, and are thus coming to terms with being transgender, and coming out. It's not that there are more people with gender issues, it's that more people who have always had gender issues are realising precisely what those issues actually are.

But this gender thing is dominating like everything now.

That is because conservatives refuse to leave trans people alone. If people leave trans people to just get their healthcare and get on with their lives, and give them the same respect everyone else gets in society, you'll quickly find that the "issue" disappears.

Homo-sexuality was mostly accepted, so now people have to move onto the “next thing”, it seems since being gay isnt controversial enough.

You are SO CLOSE to getting it.

You are dead right, homosexuality has become more accepted, and less controversial.

So conservative politicians have had to move onto a different minority to stir up fear and outrage about. That is why you are suddenly hearing about transgender people so much.

As for compassionate care - yeah, fine. But to me, that should start with why they feel the way they do. How did a boy feel as if hes a girl? Same for the opposite. lets get to the root cause of this which to me is what needs to be addressed & managed.

Why do you think that that isn't what has happened?

Id rather see these people helped to regain their biological identity so they can live a normal life. That seems more compassionate to me.

Well what you would "rather" has zero relevance to what actually works, and what is true.

[+] TheMage@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] darq@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Still seems like a fad to me.

Gender diverse people have existed throughout human history, in cultures around the world. the gender binary is more of a "fad" than transgender people.

You’re making it seem far more normal and common than it is.

Because ultimately, it is a normal part of the human experience. Some small percentage of people are transgender.

There should be as much or more effort put into finding out why they feel this way and how to help them get back on track.

There is. The leading theory is that they are, mentally, their gender.

We know that many of these kids are under massive pressure socially and the trans thing gives them a cause.

Absolutely not. This is COMPLETELY divorced from reality.

The social pressure to not be transgender is MASSIVE. Coming out as trans WILL lose you friends, and may lose you family as well. That is just a simple truth that transgender people accept when we come out. Not that we may lose friends, but that it is basically a certainty. We risk getting kicked out of our homes. We face discrimination in employment, healthcare, and housing. And the media stirs up false outrage about us constantly, out lives are politicised.

Being trans is hard. People aren't doing this to be trendy.

Conservatives won’t leave trans people alone?

Yes. We are a tiny portion of the population that entire political parties in multiple countries are running campaigns against.

It’s the trans movement that wants public displays of outright creepiness.

Oh I'm so sorry I would like to exist in public.

Believe me, most of us wish trans folks would just go be trans and stop the theatrics.

Then leave us alone.

You’ve got it backwards as to who the aggressors are here.

I cannot express how much I hate people with your beliefs, without getting banned. The world would be a better place without people like you in it.

[–] TheMage@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry we disagree. At least you’re being mostly civil about it. Being in public just minding your own business and putting on a drag show are not the same thing and you know that. Being accepted and parading around flamboyantly are also different. I’d say most people are against discrimination when it comes to basic rights. Like, job offers, school admissions, etc. But, that doesn’t translate to pushing propaganda or overdoing it. There is a line here that’s reasonable.

Take care.

[–] darq@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Sod off, into the sea.