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[-] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 100 points 20 hours ago

Wasn't expecting this under a random unrelated post. A very welcome comment nonetheless.

Never forget that the exponential boom of renewable energy tech the last 20 years has entirely served as additional energy, not as replacement of fossil fuels.

[-] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox.
Edit: the other comment below mentioning this did not load initially..

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Source?

In the EU at least this is demonstrably false. LNG has slightly risen since 2000 but other fossil fuels (namely coal) have gone way down. Total consumption has been steadily declining in the past few years and is down to 2004 levels. So overall our electricity is a whole shitload cleaner.

The story is even starker for domestic heating. Gas and coal are vanishing since the mid-2000s.

[-] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Why would you assume I am talking about Europe which accounts for 1/10 of the global energy consumption and why would I be talking the continent that has mostly outsourced its heavy industry to third world countries? Why would you assume this?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-primary-energy?time=2000..latest

Here's your source. Here's your total energy consumption. It couldn't have been that hard to look at our world in data right? How can you be so absolutely wrong about data in plain sight while being confident about it? Do you have an agenda?

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago

Oh god, I forgot you .ml fuckmuppets are incapable of maintaining a civil tone.

Europe is a single market. While it does import goods from elsewhere (namely Asia), from what I remember that does not nearly make up for the overall downwards trend of consumption & emissions.

Developing countries are increasing their emissions as they increase their purchasing power. While there is certainly a debate to be held over the details of that, I do not see how that invalidates my point that renewables don't just serve to increase overall power consumption.

However if you're thinking of replying with the same lip you just gave me I suggest instead of responding to my comment, you take your teenage attitude and shove it somewhere the sun don't shine.

[-] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 1 points 4 hours ago

20 years ago there were 2000000000 fewer people in the world.

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 19 points 19 hours ago

Unexpected but entirely welcome.

People do forget this all too often.

Cheaper stuff, use more , value less.

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