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False equivalence.
A fight for a countries survival is not the same as slavery because they’re enforcing a draft, even as terrible as the draft may be.
It doesn't say anything about about a military draft exception. All drafts are slavery. It doesn't matter how noble the people enforcing it think their cause is.
Soldiers, conscripted or volunteer, aren't owned as property though. Although I'm sure we'll have 'discourse' about that. They aren't bought, sold, or traded for goods and services.
They functionally are. They are compelled to comply under the threat of violence.
Sorry but if your country is literally being invaded by hostile forces and your own country's government didn't commit some heinous act to invite said invasion (genocide, or retribution for their own invasion), you are a hopeless coward trying to dodge that draft. We're not talking about fucking Vietnam.
Do you feel the same way about women not volunteering themselves since they don't have a draft?
Dunno how the situation is in Ukraine but in Germany it's actually stricter for women: Men can refuse service at arms, while women can't refuse medical service.
In any case not getting drafted usually is as simple as finding something else to do that's helping the war effort. Hold the home front.
My understanding of the situation in Ukraine is that women are free to do as they please and men are now property of the Ukrainian government.
Yes, I do. If they're not or can't volunteer to be part of the military there are other ways they can contribute to national defense. See: WW2
I think we have misaligned values (you seem to put less value in individual rights), but I can respect your consistency.
Why? Why would I die for a piece of land, I don't give a shit where I was born I value my life more than that, I'm not dying for some politician ego trip. You can go right ahead of you want
Ukraine doesn't fight for land, they fight to not get genocided. It's the Russian side which has the politician on an ego trip.
And you, out of your comfortable armchair, cannot predict how you'd react in the same situation. There's instinctive forces at play in such situations.