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Removal of piracy communities (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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Earlier, after review, we blocked and removed several communities that were providing assistance to access copyrighted/pirated material, which is currently not allowed per Rule #1 of our Code of Conduct. The communities that were removed due to this decision were:

We took this action to protect lemmy.world, lemmy.world's users, and lemmy.world staff as the material posted in those communities could be problematic for us, because of potential legal issues around copyrighted material and services that provide access to or assistance in obtaining it.

This decision is about liability and does not mean we are otherwise hostile to any of these communities or their users. As the Lemmyverse grows and instances get big, precautions may happen. We will keep monitoring the situation closely, and if in the future we deem it safe, we would gladly reallow these communities.

The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

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[-] TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because the fediverse i about democracy.

Isn't it, like, the opposite? With the main assumption being that you should find an instance that aligns with your interests and values, not find an instance and try to vote for it to become something you like? That is technically "voting with your feet" but instances don't actually need a large population to stay running.

[-] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

But we have no tools to migrate users or communities. We can not vote with our feet so much as start over and over and over.

[-] GodzillaFanboy129@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I highly recommend people go to the issue relating to account migration on the lemmy software github and explain why account Migration is as important as it is and should not be considered as a second thought. Not being able to migrate ties you to an instance if you've been there long or participated a lot, it makes you dependent on them, this is not a good dynamic to have in the Fediverse, it's why other platforms like Mastodon have profile migration.

[-] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

Interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing.

You’re not wrong. It’s not the same as voting for a desired outcome and if owners/admins push for something, they can usually get it until people leave.

But the system is open source so they can’t just shape their server how they like. They can’t keep others from getting news from outside and they also can’t push their own agenda imo.

So I‘d say you‘re right, it’s not „democracy“ but its either something else entirely or it is „about democracy“. Maybe power equality through federation?

[-] TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

What it's about, in my opinion, is trust. To tie it back to Reddit yet again - on Reddit, if the admins of the site did something, their word was final and there wasn't much you could do about it. On Lemmy, if the admins of an instance do something, even here on the biggest one, their reach is limited to their own space; they cannot affect what happens beyond. This means that instead of having to do a big ol exodus to try and prop up a new network, people can just pick another instance and continue where they left off, outside the reach of the admins that did the thing they dislike.

Therefore, the instance admins and the users (and also the mods) need to actually have trust in each other to stick around, as there are viable alternative spaces they can go to if that trust is broken. Additionally, the entire concept of federation is also built on trust - "we will allow an exchange of content between our instances because we trust you".

I don't agree with this decision, but I understand it, and I still trust LW admins because they've had a good track record so far. For those reasons I'll stay here. I don't fault anyone leaving, though, if their personal threshold of trust has been broken. The only thing I'm really wary of is the free-speech absolutists that insist no one should be defederated from; the tool exists for a reason. There's not many of them, though.

[-] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

I agree on practically everything you wrote there. Thanks.

I‘d like to add that I was a little upset first by their childish action but then came to the conclusion that they in fact have very little power compared to the whole platform. So yes, it‘s still not ok (and I would be furious if my content just gets deleted) but it is not that big of a deal.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

It's only about democracy if you make your own instance. Otherwise, you have to follow the rules of wherever you're signed up.

[-] TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you make your own instance, as a one-man thing, then it's not really democracy at all either. The only way it would be democracy is if you made your own instance and specifically said "all decisions will be made via vote" and you actually had users around to participate in those votes.