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Lemmy.world announces blocking communities via Discord [update] (lemmy.world)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Machefi@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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This is in regard to Lemmy.world blocking piracy communities from other instances. This post is not about whether you agree with the decision. It's about how the admins informed their users.

A week ago Lemmy.world announced their Discord server. This wasn't very well received (about 25% downvotes, which is rather bad compared to other announcements). The comments on that post were turned off, presumably to avoid backlash.

Before that, announcements about the instance used to be posted to !lemmyworld@lemmy.world. This time, the information was posted on the Discord server instead.

I don't agree with this. Having to use a proprietary platform to participate in an open-source one goes against the very purpose for me, especially when the new solution isn't really an improvement (as before the information about the platform was closer to it).

Edit: Corrected the announcements community name.

Update: Lemmy.world finally released an announcement and promised they would inform about similar actions and gather feedback in advance in future.

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[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 67 points 11 months ago

I'm really not happy with using Discord at all for any organisation open to outside users. We got Lemmy for posts about, well, Lemmy. We got something like Mastodon for external updates.

Use what is there.

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also there is Matrix as a direct federated replacement for discord. No reason not to use it.

EDIT: After doing a bit more digging, it's not running on activitypub so not compatible wit the fediverse, but it does run on a federated model.

Although given that both are open protocols, it should in theory be possible to write an adaptor or an update to make them compatible.

EDIT 2: ~~nope lol~~

Edit 3: idk why I let myself be mislead and I don't remember what I looked up, but Matrix specifically says it is federated: https://spec.matrix.org/latest/

[-] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

Matrix is not part of the fediverse. I don't know where people got this idea, but I keep seeing it mentioned on Lemmy. It's just a decentralized messaging software

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

After looking into it, it is federated but not activitypub, so it may not technically be part of the fediverse.

Edit: i did a bad job researching this, but this is true to the best of my knowledge.

[-] ColonelPanic@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

It is federated though? It's literally the first sentence in their specification: https://spec.matrix.org/latest/

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 points 11 months ago

Okay that's a better source than whatever I was reading. I should get off the internet for now. I am too tired.

[-] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

It's decentralized, not federated. They are slightly different concepts

[-] kobra@lemm.ee -1 points 11 months ago

With Matrix (at least as far as I understand), if you aren't logged in when the message is posted you can't actually decrypt it. I think Matrix would actually be worse than Discord for an announcement like this.

[-] Efwis@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 months ago

This is wrong. I’m on matrix both on my computer and phone. If I’m not logged in, and conversations are made during that time I can log in and it decrypts all the messages letting you pick up where you left off.

[-] kobra@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Not sure what I did wrong then but that was my experience

[-] Efwis@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It might have something to do with the channel admin, I’m not sure as I don’t run my own matrix channel, I only know that’s how it works for me. Also the only encrypted channel that I see on my matrix account is the dm’s. The regular channels I’m on are not encrypted and it states as much in the text bar where you type

[-] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 1 points 11 months ago

It's possible that the Matrix server you were on was/is having issues then. I've been running my own instance for over two years now and have not experienced this. I can even login to a new device, verify my session, and then view the history for every channel I've ever been in (encrypted or not).

[-] Efwis@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

Just recently started using it. This is the way it has worked since I started. And that just in the last 2 months

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 11 months ago

That sounds broken to the point of absurdity. Where did you hear that?

[-] sure@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

I think OP is mixing up IRC and Matrix. IRC indeed does require you to be online to receive messages (but there are ways around that), but matrix loads your messages offline just fine.

Checked it now and I have 3k unread messages on the lemmy support chart.

[-] Madbrad200@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's also how IRC works and most chat platforms are heavily inspired by IRC, unless you use a program (bouncer) that kept you online 24/7. I assume there must be something similar for Matrix

One of many reasons people left IRC for Discord.

[-] kobra@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

I didn't hear it, I experienced it. /shrug

[-] 1984@lemmy.today -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is not true at all. I'm using Element, a matrix client and I'm part of lots of communities. I check it a few times per week and of course i can see all messages.

Install Element and join a server and you will see. It's actually pretty nice.