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Leading US imams and scholars urge Muslim voters to snub Kamala Harris over Gaza
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I can't disagree with the facts presented about the positioning of US troops and the roles Israel and the US play on the geopolitical stage. This is a sick situation and my dread gets a bit deeper every day. I can't contest that my feelings won't do anything for the dead and the dying. I can't ask people to do things that are contrary to their beliefs, and it's clear that I do not have the capacity or the moral ground to affect the beliefs expressed in this thread.
Then I implore you to abandon the genocidal Biden regime. Side with humanity.
To side with the even more genocidal Trump team? What kind of crazy is this? There isn't a third option. There's horrifically bad and there's even worse and you're siding with even worse. Come back to reality, Cowbee, it misses you.
The class is holding a vote on whether to put the "slap the ugly kid in the face" guy in charge or the "kick him in the nuts" guy in charge. You're right to say the kid should be left alone. You're right to say there should be a third option. You're right that there should be no slapping. You're right that the vote is offensive. But you can't stop the vote and you can't stop the violence. None of us can.
But fuck you if you can't bring yourself to say that the kid ought not to be kicked in the nuts and fuck you if you tell all the nice kids not to vote and fuck you if the kid gets kicked in the nuts because of your idiot intervention that only ever talks about the slappers and gives the kick-in-the-nuts crowd a free pass.
Not voting just lets the "kick him in the nuts" guy win every time, which is why the "slap him in the face" guy came up with the slapping policy in the first place.
Of course not Trump, he's just as genocidal as Harris, Walz, and Biden. You're siding with genocide, that's unacceptable.
Pure defeatism, if we have to torture this poor kid then it's best to tell the teacher to fuck off.
You are still under the grand delusion that the GOP is worse than the DNC on the issue of genocide. They aren't, this is a bipartisan effort. Biden has even sent in the troops and Walz said Israel needs to expand.
No, this is so far removed from why America supports the genocidal settler-colonial entity. America supports Israel because Israel is a rabid dog on a leash that America uses to terrorize the Middle East and secure the Petro-Dollar, which it uses as the global standard to have a monopoly on Financial Capital, enslaving the Global South with predatory IMF loans.
Please, do some actual thinking.
You're kidding yourself. The Democrats absolutely have to move right when left wing people refuse to vote, otherwise they lose.
Withdrawing your vote is literally withdrawing left wing influence on politics and anything else is just a complicated lie.
Letting the republicans win is just encouraging the democrats to be more like the republicans.
If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it's electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don't vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.
They can move left if they want left votes.
Do you think the Dems analyze the percentage of votes based on the beliefs of their voters? What fantasy land do you live in? The Dems keep trucking along for their donors and appeal to areas they want votes in from the public. If Leftists always vote for dems as a fixed lever, then Dems will move right to satisfy their donors more because the leftists are spineless.
If the dems don't want leftist votes and move to the right, that's a problem with the dems, not leftists.
I convince people to vote for anti-genocide parties like PSL and the Greens. Not supporting Palestine is electoral suicide.
No, I think they see the republicans win with right wing policies, sigh and say "I guess we've gotta do some of that shit to get elected."
Do you think the Dems try to serve their voters, or their donors?
They try to gain power, and they follow the votes that count towards the result. They ignore the votes that ignore the contest. You seem to think they pay attention to the non voters' views more than the voters views, which is irrational.
You keep pretending third party voters are non-voters, which is definitionally false.
The Dems follow the money, which comes from their donors. This drives policy.
For electoralism, they gesture to their voterbase, but this doesn't impact their real policy.
You keep pretending that choosing to not affect the outcome affects the outcome.
It certainly affects the outcome, it signals support for ending genocide and delegitimizes the system.
No, it makes no difference at all. Trump will win or Harris will win. If Trump wins, the democrats will move right to try to win again.
And you'll keep goose stepping with them rather than hop off and join the Leftists in saving the world.
You're not saving anybody letting the fascists take over the government of the largest military.
You're not saving anybody letting the fascists take over the government of the largest military.
Not voting, voting for Shill Stein, it's all gonna have the same effect - republicans winning and the democrats chasing the only votes on the table because the left folks abstain or effectively abstain.
Not voting is electoral death. Voting third party is electoral death. On which planet is the republicans winning going to make the democrats move away from rightwing policies? None of them!
They are going to move to the right if they lose. We have one of the most leftwing candidates the democrats have fielded in decades, and if she loses, the party bosses are going to say "see, it's senseless chasing leftwing votes, they're too pure to muddy their hands in actually effecting the outcome - we have to more to where people who actually vote are. The only way to win is to have policies that actual voters like, not your theoretical voters who won't compromise - you'll never get their vote. Come back to the centre!" And of course we both know what the centre means in America.
The dems can move left if they want leftist votes, and more people are moving to the left as Capitalism declines.
Electoralism is death.
Are you genuinely being serious, here? Do you know what Left-Wing means? LMAO
Harris is campaigning to the RIGHT. She is moving RIGHT and losing voters over it.
I didn't say she was left wing, I said she was the most left wing candidate the democrats have fielded in decades. If she loses, the democrats will give up on trying to move left even a tiny bit. If she wins, they can safely move further left. But every time they lose, they move right, to compromise wry the voters who actually vote.
You seem to be confusing Biden and Harris, which is understandable, but not particularly clear headed.
Please stop pretending to care. You're an acceleratist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it'll make things better.
This is still meaningless.
They will not move left. If they win, they realize they can keep moving right. Dems want to move right to serve their donors.
Not at all. Care to elaborate?
Please stop pretending to care. You're an accelerationist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it'll make things better.
Read theory. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.
Because Harris listens to what they say?! Your theories seem to result in you checking out of having any effect on the world. No thanks.
If your activism wasn't about to hand power to the literal fascists, it might have some appeal and I might think you were genuine or correct, but I can't tell the difference between republican trolls and tankies because they give the exact same advice - if you care, make sure you don't affect the outcome. What kind of shit advice is that?
No, because those are revolutionary orgs. Your lack of theory has you firmly advocating for dead ends.
The Dems are handing power to the fascists. They are committing genocide, Imperialism, failing to address the climate, refusing to help women, trans people, minority populations, and are accelerating towards World War 3.
Fascism will not be beaten by a Dem victory, it will still come. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, as long as Capitalism continues to decay fascism continues to rise. You are working towards fascism. Right-wingers like you would rather genocide continue than lift a finger to help Muslims.
Read theory and join an org.
Fake leftwingers like you would rather the actual fascists took over America.
The Dems are doing that themselves, just because you're a right-winger aiding fascism doesn't mean I'm a "fake leftwinger."
You're a fake left winger because you spend so much time and effort supporting the fascists to win control over America.
You're a fake left winger because you spend so much time and effort supporting the fascists to win control over America.