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Steam does the opposite of forcing Arbitration on its users (lemdro.id)
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[โ€“] Jikiya@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I can tell you that I have arbitration on going, and it's been well over a year that it has been happening. To assume that the arbitration wraps up in a month, when you've got lawyers involved is non-sense. I don't believe arbitrators are in anyone's pocket either. The arbitrators aren't in-house council for Valve, they are a company Valve has contracted with, and they're going to be neutral, and rule based on law, not who's paying. As a lot of arbitration rules state that if you take the case to arbitration and lose, the one that is ruled against pays for the cost of the arbitration. Based on the "mate's rates", I'm guessing you're UK based. I don't know that legal system, so can't say how fee structures work. But a great deal of lawyers that are suing on behalf of you, in the US, take a percentage of the settlement. So the biggest cost is all to the person being sued, as they do pay the lawyers by the hour instead of a cut of the ruling.

I don't think Valve is changing their rules to screw customers, I think they're doing it because they've found separating each case into a different arbitration claim is too expensive. And it would have been better for them all to be in one group. I believe Valve is the best game distributor, as it turns out. But if people with law degrees think they've broken rules, I'm all for punishing rule-breaking. In this particular scenario, it seems like it might slightly improve things for consumers, and greatly benefit small studios.

[โ€“] voracitude@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If you think that an arbitration company isn't going to end up sympathetic to the people signing their cheques after some amount of time in operation, I'm afraid I have some bad news for you. Even if the loser pays (and that's not a guarantee, some companies foot the bill regardless to make it seem like the better option to the consumer), it's still the company contracting the arbitrators and the consumer doesn't get a look in on that, so future business is absolutely an incentive to put the thumb on the scale. "After all, both parties agreed to be bound and waive their right to trial, so what are consumers going to do?" is the logic. Most will drop it after losing arbitration, and there are savings on court costs there too.

I don't assume arbitration wraps up in any arbitrary amount of time (๐Ÿฅ). I say it's quicker than litigation because it is, every single time. Because it is quicker it is also cheaper, every single time. Small claims court is different again, and not at question here, just to head that off at the pass.

You however do assume a lot like my location and the location of the suit I brought though, based on my vernacular, and I'd recommend against that. "Mate's rates" could put me in the UK, or Australia, or New Zealand, or even some places in South Africa and other former colonies. None of those would be accurate.