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Wikipedia defines Zionism as ‘colonialism,’ sparking outrage (www.jns.org)

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At the center of the debate are key changes in the language used to describe Zionism, the movement that called for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in what is now Israel.

The 2023 version of the page framed Zionism as a nationalist movement born in the 19th century that sought to secure Jewish self-determination.

In contrast, the 2024 version of the entry introduces more charged terminology, describing Zionism as an “ethno-cultural nationalist” movement that engaged in “colonization of a land outside of Europe,” with a heightened focus on the resulting conflicts with Palestinian Arabs.

“Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible,” it reads.

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[-] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

The area was effectively a bloodbath until the twilight years of the ottoman empire for a very brief period.

From the muslim conquest of the levant in the 7th century, to the christian crusades across several centuries... there has been seemingly countless wars in the name of religion in the region. The conflict goes back much, much longer than 124 years.

Anyway, you talk about this being a question of something. I see no questions whatsoever. I just see hate after hate, bloodshed after bloodshed. It won't end until humans bring themselves to extinction or one side wipes out the other because we're incapable as a species of anything else.

I'm glad that the UN is pushing to get Israel out of the Gaza Strip at the least, but the damage is already done. The cycle will just continue because the hate will never end.

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 2 points 23 hours ago

The claim the other person was making was very, very obviously not the absurdity you represent it as.

The residents of Palestine were peacefully coexisting Jews, Arabs, and Muslim descendants of the bronze-age indigenous people before the inception of Zionism by the British Empire in the early 1900s.

Nowhere does this say "were peacefully coexisting since the bronze age," it says "these populations that descended from groups there since the bronze age were, during some period of time prior to zionism, peacefully coexisting."

There are other problems with what you said, e.g. I wouldn't blame the indigenous Christian inhabitants for the Crusades, but I don't really want to get into this, I just want to point out that you wildly misrepresented your interlocutor.

[-] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 0 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Okay, so then i'll focus on the specific claim of right during/before the early 1900s everyone was peacefully coexisting.

Sure, near the end of the ottoman empire there was a very brief period where there was some coexistence. Very brief.

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 hours ago

How brief? A few hours?

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