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can you list a few lies in the debate from Harris? not that i don't believe you. just haven't followed her enough to scrutinize.
Sure Donald Trump has filed bankruptcy six times. That’s false. Donald Trump had filed bankruptcy zero times. The fine people comment was false. She denied wanting to defund the police. She denied her stance on fracking. She was full of shit the whole night.
Ironically I support her real stance on fracking. It’s an important issue to me. Fracking is a horrible practice that needs to stop
Well if we allow for "Donald Trump" to also include his businesses, which he proudly indicates he has direct leadership in...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/
Bankruptcy is a legal matter. Either a person files or they don’t.
I also wouldn’t shame someone for filing.
Much less would I shame a business person for filing against their business if needed.
Sure Kamala has never filed a BK on a business but she’s never ran a business. She’s never created jobs.
Dislike Trump all you want but has created thousands of jobs. Kamala zero.
The statement is true, per the specifications I allowed. I never indicated any value assessment as you focused on. That's not the point
Edit, to address the goalpost move: as a DA she certainly would have been in charge of staffing an office and had many humans in jobs. More than zero. So that's not true
She didn’t create those jobs. she didn’t run a p/l. The money didn’t come from her but from the state of California or the county depending on which job she did. The tax payers paid for those jobs.
Her office would have designated the need for positions and filled them. They would have had a budget and worked within it to staff.
Another goalpost move on p/l.
No goal post as been moved. She did not create jobs. She’s never run a business. She proudly proclaimed she’s always been on the government teat.
I prefer someone who actually creates jobs
My original involvement was to fact check the bankruptcy claim, not discuss the value or issues with bankruptcy. The goal posts were moved to bring up Harris being a long time government employee. I spent replies discussing how.the differences are largely semantic, but that's literally besides my original point, and you are free to have your opinion on government work, because it's not what I'm here for anyway.
Trump, as leader of his businesses, DID file bankruptcies, as the article describes.
Goal post wasn’t moved. It’s all a continuation of her lies. Trump never filed bankruptcy. Harris has never created a job or a business. It isn’t semantic. lol. It’s facts. I get the left hates facts but she lied. As a lawyer, she knows the differences.
Facts indeed. I provided a source of the bankruptcies for companies that he was the leader of, as I specified.
Edit Any discussion of the consequences of those bankruptcies or the validity of candidates based on their business background is outside of the scope, and a goalpost move.
Yes, but that isn't the same as Trump filing for bankruptcy. That was a lie. She has a pattern of lying, and she knows the difference. It is also a weird thing to judge someone on as it shows a lack of knowledge of the business world and proves she isn't fit to lead the nation. She has no clue how to create jobs or that bankruptcies are common. Sometimes you hit a home run and sometimes you don't. She wouldn't know because she had never done either.
As I stated in my comment, he takes direct leadership in his businesses and his businesses filed. Contesting this point is not goalpost moving and would have been meaningful discussion, yesterday. Arguing about her business background has nothing to do with my original comment. I'd recommend to read the article, which is not from this year, and discusses the situation about his bankruptcy situation.
Bankruptcies are not "common" for successful business folks, but they do happen.
She has worked as a public servant in a legal capacity, which we can certainly agree is important for a modern society. A president should also be well versed in such things, which trump is not. So, on that basis they break even. Weather you agree with her policy or approach, you have to accept that she has worked for the government, and therefore the furtherance of the nation. You may believe her approach was not to your liking, but I'm thankful people work in governmental, public roles too. I think such people are completely valid candidates for higher office.
It happens. Anyone with a basic understanding of business knows every business won't be a success. I am familiar with his bankruptcies. That is how I know he has not personally filed for bankruptcy.
I would rather someone with more experience in the real world lead the country. I can't say I am impressed with a lawyer who didn't know the difference between a business failing and a personal bankruptcy. That doesn't show the competence needed to run the country. Part of the reason she is expected to lose the election.
it came off to me that her opinion had changed on fracking, being a politician in America is not won through honesty. inverters must see you as profitable, money is in oil. i have heard Donaald has filed bankruptcy i had to make sure and looked it up i'd like to see your source on this.
He has had companies filed bankruptcy. He has never filed. The two are not the same.
If she had take the anti-fracking stance. I’d make me strongly consider my vote. Fracking taints the ground water. To me that’s just stupid.
For a politician to take the stance of anti fracking would be political suicide. Thanks to Republicans money is speech , its become an incestuous game.
Would you say Harris's lie is as bold as trumps? One is splitting hairs the other is a fairy tail that is made to create division.
Not really; most Democrats would support a ban on fracking. At this point, never Trumpers would support the ban to stop Trump.
While I strongly dislike Harris, having clean water is important to me. Once you have contaminated the ground water, you are left with few options.
I think your missing the point, we're talking about Harris being a liar. And I am asking even though I don't see her flip as a lie. But for the sake of of it we'll say she's lying. Is her lie as bold as trumps?
Anyway CNN did a great job combing through the debate and fact checking here's an article/video about it
Trying to say which lie is more bold is a tad weird. A lie is a lie. Which lie do you think was more bold than Trump's?
Kamala lied about US troops being in combat. THey still are. Isn't that a pretty bold lie? We have people risking their lives and she is dismissing it?
I don't know too much about the troops in America, maybe they are all out or none or a few, statically incorrect I can forgive with margins of error.
Putting out facebook hit pieces strongly tide to polarisation I expect to hear from my boomer parents is ridiculous. This man is running to be the most powerful man in america and he can't disseminate truth from fiction from such an incredibly flawed source. I wonder what kind of sourcing does he do in his day to day for the rest of his information.
We have troops in multiple combat zones. It’s silly of her to claim otherwise and if she really believes there are none, she isn’t qualified to be president. Knowing where we at at conflict is a big part of the commander in chief.
Oh I believe Trump knows the truth from fiction. Just like I believe Kamala does as well. Both are trying to sway the voters.
really,so you believe his claim that migrants are eating pets? yes or no. and i am not asking in nuance. this is a strait and very serious question as the idea was put forward in a presidential debate.
No idea. I don’t live there. Locals are saying yes. The government is saying no.
but trump knows truth from fiction. this must be true?