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Ukraine attacks Moscow in one of largest ever drone strikes on Russian capital (www.reuters.com)

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Ukraine attacked Moscow on Wednesday with at least 11 drones that were shot down by air defences in what Russian officials called one of the biggest drone strikes on the capital since the war in Ukraine began in February 2022.

The war, largely a grinding artillery and drone battle across the fields, forests and villages of eastern Ukraine, escalated on Aug. 6 when Ukraine sent thousands of soldiers over the border into Russia's western Kursk region.

For months, Ukraine has also fought an increasingly damaging drone war against the refineries and airfields of Russia, the world's second largest oil exporter, though major drone attacks on the Moscow region - with a population of over 21 million - have been rarer.

Russia's defence ministry said its air defences destroyed a total of 45 drones over Russian territory, including 11 over the Moscow region, 23 over the border region of Bryansk, six over the Belgorod region, three over the Kaluga region and two over the Kursk region.

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[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Why aren't we just sending them millions of small drones instead of all the bigger stuff?

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 months ago

Because the drones are made in China and China wants Russia to genocide so that they can get away with their genocides. It would be nice if we started manufacturing again, but we seem to have trouble getting anything done.

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't really want us to get any further into the murder-drone business than we already are, but it does seem to be the way conflicts are going.

Maybe war could just become entirely drones, so instead of people dying it could be a giant game of BattleBots.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 months ago

I think it was Neal Stephenson's book The Diamond Age that had clouds of nanomachines constantly at war with each other creating a fog of dead and dying machines that people would just walk through pretty much ignoring it. I read that a long freaking time ago, so I'm sure that memory is, to some degree, degraded.

[-] wraithcoop@lemmy.one 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that's pretty much it exactly. Great book, oddly enough that is pretty much world building but not greatly part of the story.

[-] tetrahedron@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

I remember when I chuckled at "Nanomachines, son" memes. Dystopia when you hit us...

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

a fog of dead and dying machines that people would just walk through pretty much ignoring it.

Nah there were alarms and people were staying inside, wore mask and such. Not because the machines would attack them but because of all the fine particulate in the air. Also don't know about "constantly" it happened IIRC once in the story to deliver some exposition on the setting early on. Kid telling smaller kid about it? Protagonist was involved. Not the one exploding on the pier that wasn't the protagonist this isn't cyberpunk.

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Or we could go further and just simulate the battles so even the land is safe from war.

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Like a reverse Enders Game, where the fighters believe they're fighting a war but it's actually a simulation. I think there was a Star Trek episode about that, A Taste of Armageddon.

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

The 80s movie robojox basically has this as it's central premise, cept they were piloted.

Heavy, existential sigh.

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

It does seem odd that we aren't making more drones. Given how big a roll they are playing, it seems like we wouldn't want China to have access to so many more than we do.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Same reason most mass-market consumer goods aren't made in western countries - its more profitable to have them made in China and other low(er) wage (and lower employment standards in general) countries.

And in the decades since that shift to offshoring manufacturing started, China has developed infrastructure and expertise in manufacturing, while those same capabilities have atrophied in the US and other countries who import those cheap products.

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Financially sure. But strategically I would think the gov would pay for it like they are with chip making fans.

[-] ExFed@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago

We are!

Organisers of the Army of Drones campaign say they have built or purchased an extra 3,300 drones. Some 400 people have even sent their own hobby drones in the mail.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65389215

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I mean like on a government scale. Make them like ammunition, so they can be used to overwhelm the defenses

[-] Soleos@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Ukraine is doing fine building their own drones. They seem to have a fast iteration cycle with their growing drone industry. Their priority for foreign aid is artillery shells, missile systems, and vehicles/planes which is harder for them to produce en mass

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

Especially when these drones are basically kamikazes. Last think we need is to be shipping over million-dollar Lockheed quadcopters to be met with that kind of fate.

[-] Redex68@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Drones aren't the be-all and end-all, especially at this stage in the war. They can cause a lot of damage but countermeasures are being used more and more and you can't win a war with just drones.

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that why I mean government scale. Send a million of them. If Ukraine can send them in the hundreds, the defenses will be overwhelmed. But they do need to be able to autonomously avoid humans in my opinion. Targeting is probably the hardest part right now.

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