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Giving people shit how? This is the first time I hear something like this. In my case, my ISP does not allow bridging a router, so I NAT mine instead, and it works just fine.
Yeah, they can still tell that you’re Nat behind another router.
But they don’t like it because it gives them less access to your network and more possibility for something to be wrong
I’ve never had an isp complain about me using my own router in the US, is this just common in other countries or have I just been lucky?
It’s a rarity afaik, I’ve only heard of one or two cases, but a concerning report to me personally.
Though I’m Canadian so it’ll be a few years before it filters here (assuming it catches on)
How would they do that? Maybe by looking at ports? You could just lie and say you only have one device.
The moment they see their ONT is registering only 1 device (the router) it's clear everything is being routed via that.
I have never not had a router natted behind my modem. They can see the amount of packets and data I use over the ISP, but that's about it. On top of that my LANs and VLANs are all VPNd through NordVPN before anything hits the WAN and all DNS traffic goes though my Adguard Home and Quad9 as well, so there's that.
How do they know that it isn't just a single device network?
They might be able to see if the data indicates the network has been though NAT (network address translation) twice, but that would look just like someone who has plugged their own wifi box into the modem
Highly unlikely when you have hundreds of gigs passing through daily.
But how would they prove that? I have high doubt. Also what benefit would it give them? It seems like a lot of work and uncertainty for little reward.
I can't answer that. I guess you would need to be in their place to understand that backwards way of thinking.
Why do you trust NordVPN more than your ISP ? Is your ISP known to be especially bad ?
I trust any company that's not in my country more than any local company. Or I should say, I distrust local companies more.
Probably just MAC address lookups, but also possibly something weird like “ttl “ stats
The MAC address would match the out bound interface of the router
And if you “device type” that…. You’ll see a router likely.
Yes.
And they would ask “why is there a router on your network”
At least try to understand what is being said to you, ok son?
I’m very sorry that your life feels so out of control that you need to lash out so quickly with condescension.
Did you want to talk? Or perhaps explain where you think I misunderstand?
Try to understand the comment you replied to, lazy ass.
Don't NAT. Just bump in the wire firewall plus local DNS server.
There's always NAT. You get one IP address, your router/wifi shares the network using NAT
But ISPs aren't looking for NAT, since everyone with wifi is using it