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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] bouldering_barista@lemmy.world 82 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is fuckin tragic. I didn't need to read that. I hope justice is served albeit delayed at this point. This kid deserves time for violently attacking another kid, bragging about it, and trying to get away with no consequences. Yes he's young, but not too young to pay for this kind of crime.

[–] puppy@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's not normal behaviour. Kid needs to be tried as an adult and locked up for life. Then mental health evaluation consistently with a chance to be released after 25 years with good behaviour.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Fire the whole police department too

[–] 3ntranced@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'd say go a step further. He took an innocent life knowingly and showed complete lack of remorse, why should his life continue? Is there really a benefit to society in the slightest to allow him to continue existing?

Just give him the death sentence and let his parents cope with the fact they failed at raising a child so badly that it had to be put down.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

No, because the death penalty shouldn't exist. But he should absolutely get 20 to life with parole dependent on mental health evaluation. Just like any other 17 year old who did this.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 3 months ago

Disregarding the general braindead nature of this take, if anything the parents should be sentenced to death for creating this human and allowing him to turn out this way.