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How can a company that is run by international democratic elections be legally structured? As a company? As a non-profit organization? As a network of several organizations or companies? In which country should it be registered? What is the legal situation?

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Yes, I agree with you. I would also like to see the process of AI alignment be a democratic process that is regularly adjusted to reflect people's values.

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I have no idea how alignment works. I can well imagine that it might make sense to train artificial intelligence using values that have been determined through democratic consultation with large population groups. But let's assume that the AI is already perfectly aligned. Could it be that it knows much better than humans themselves what is good for humans? If you ask a small child what it wants, it might say: a mountain of chocolate. But the parents would know very well that this mountain of chocolate is not good for the child. Another question, of course, is under what circumstances one could trust such an AI.

 

If a company is democratically run by an open community of people who may be scattered across the globe, and if, everyone who is interested should be able to participate in this company, what could be a suitable business model for such a company? What kind of products could such a company sell? What kind of services could it offer?

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

This question is also relevant to how we imagine an ideal future with artificial general intelligence/artificial super intelligence. If machines are eventually able to make much more thoughtful decisions than humans, would it still make sense to involve humans democratically in the decision-making process (assuming that AI would act in the interests of humanity)?

 

Here's a provocative question: Are democracies really always better than dictatorships or other forms of power organization? Does living in a democracy make people happy? If you have a ruler who makes responsible decisions for the good of the people, is it even necessary to involve the people in these decisions?

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Perhaps a hybrid solution would be appropriate where there are several chat groups, some of which are public and others only used by closed groups within the community. I would favor such a decentralized approach where there is no central chat group for all participants, but rather people organize themselves into smaller groups.

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A related question is whether chat groups that deal with company matters should be public and readable by everyone. On the one hand, transparency is good because this company is supposed to belong to everyone in the world, and therefore everyone should have the opportunity to follow the company's affairs. On the other hand, those who participate in a public chat group expose themselves. Sometimes it is better for people to have a protected environment in which they can express themselves freely without strangers being able to access what they have written.

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

It would probably be necessary to make certain information within the company accessible only to a small group of people who undertake to treat this knowledge confidentially. Perhaps it would make sense to have these people elected by the community. However, it must of course be ensured that these people are trustworthy.

 

A high degree of transparency is necessary for a “company owned by humanity” to be managed by the public. When such a company hires people or serves customers, how can their right to privacy be protected? How should sensitive information and company secrets be handled?

 

Are there historical examples of companies that are managed by a community through democratic decisions? How have these companies developed? Are there examples of failed projects? Are there examples of successful projects?

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Okay, I understand. You mean that with electronic elections, you can't have both anonymity and trust. I agree. Either you hold elections that are anonymous but could theoretically be manipulated, or you publish who voted for what, making the result verifiable. The decision between anonymity and trust is not an easy one. Here, we can discuss whether elections should be secret: https://lemmy.ml/post/38737498

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

One possibility would be to organize events in different locations around the world where digital identification codes are handed out to all participants, enabling them to vote online during the next time slot (e.g. 6 months). If the codes are handed out at the same time all over the world, it is not possible for one person to collect more than one code for a time slot.

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Decidim is a digital open-source platform for citizen participation that can also be used for online voting: https://decidim.org/

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's right. It is probably necessary to create a database containing identification details for all participants. If such a database exists, it should either contain only information that cannot be used for identity theft, or it should be managed by a trustworthy authority that ensures this data is not misused.

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's true. When holding public elections, one should simultaneously try to create an environment in which voters with unpopular opinions are not suppressed.

[–] prichter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

The problem with secret ballots is that they are much easier to manipulate. If it is public who voted for what, it is not so easy to fabricate votes without it being noticed. Especially with online elections, which are easy to manipulate, I think that elections can be protected against fraud by making the voting process transparent.

 

For a “company owned by humanity” in which every person in the world has one vote, a method is needed to verify that the online identity belongs to a real person. It is also necessary to ensure that people do not register multiple times. What solutions could be used to ensure this? Which of these solutions could be implemented on a small scale with little effort, and which could theoretically be scaled to the entire world population?

 

When votes are held to decide which initiatives a “company owned by humanity” will implement, should these votes be secret or public? Should everyone be able to see who voted for which option, or should this information remain private or not be collected?

Should there be profiles for every active member of the community that document exactly who voted how in each vote?

Should the voting decisions be visible to everyone on the internet or only accessible to a specific group of people (e.g., those who participated in the vote)?

 

If you want to organize online polls that many people can participate in easily, what software can you use? What software meets the criteria of open source, security, transparency, good documentation, scalability, flexibility, etc.?

This question is relevant because establishing a “company owned by humanity” requires a solution that enables people to participate in voting on matters concerning this company.

Which software may only be suitable for smaller communities? Are there technical solutions for voting software that could theoretically be scaled to the entire world population?

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