Bike helmets are a good idea no matter what cars are doing. You can die from a stationary fall from a bike by hitting your head on the pavement without a helmet. Happened to a person in my friend circle. Girl died on the fucking sidewalk after falling off her bike with no helmet.
this post was submitted on 21 Jan 2023
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Yes, helmets are good. I wear one so that when I am thrown from the hood of a car, there is less of a chance of my head opening up when it hits the asphalt.
With that said, I think one of the concepts of this article is that enforcing helmet laws shifts the blame of people getting injured/killed by people operating motor vehicles onto the person on the bicycle. In reality, even with a helmet, being hit by a motor vehicle at 50mph is likely fatal and there are too many examples of drivers killing people on bicycles and then just driving away.
Helmet laws "protect" people on bicycles. Sinces there's a system to protect them, (helmets) the discussion of safety can end instead of continue on the dangers of road design and motor vehicles themselves. Essentially, the problem of people getting killed/injured on bicycles is a problem with motor vehicles, not helmets.
Falling and hitting your head isn't exclusive to bicycles or even more likely on bicycles than other activities. You're most likely to get a head injury by falling in the shower, tripping while walking, or being a passenger in a car crash.
Helmets dehumanise cyclists increasing risk of aggression from drivers.
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Yep. After I had a pretty bad fall without a helmet I will now on always wear a helmet no matter how short the trip.
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Me, too. In any contest between asphalt and skull, asphalt always wins. In my case, it was 60 stitches across my forehead at age 13 & luckily no TBI or spinal cord injuries.
@RaoulDook @salarua Worth mentioning per distance walked you are most likely to die walking than cycling but if someone tried to introduce a law requiring pedestrians to wear a helmet they would be ridiculed. I assume there is an air quote because helmet laws do not protect cyclists, they actively make things more dangerous
That’s hardly a fair comparison. People are going to travel much greater distances on bike than on foot.
You're missing the point of the article and the discussion.
Wearing a helmet only adds a hurdle to something where the very core concepts of which is supposed to be the accessibility and freedom it offers.
For the statistical likelihood of a helmet saving someone's life or from serious injury, is it really worth the spotlight that is constantly placed on them?
Ironically, all they seem to be used for is as a weapon for battering the idea of making cycling easier for the masses around the head.
The amount of comments I've seen from absolute meat heads who can't bear the idea of not driving their cars literally everywhere justifying their behaviour towards a bike rider or that one is somehow responsible for an incident that wasn't their fault because they didn't wear a helmet is fucking barmy.
Cycling is a method of transport no different to any other. You don't have to cart around bulky, awkward and fairly fragile items with you when you get to your destination in your car, on the bus or via train. Why mandate it for the cleanest form of transport beside walking?
Bluntly put, you can fall over, hit your head and die without a bike at all. Should you have to wear a helmet all the time in your day to day? Silly notion and simply an appeal to emotion/but sometimes fallacy.
Edit: to those downvoting, please explain how you feel my comment hasn't added to the discussion, since that's what it's for. It isn't a 'disagree' button.
Car crashes are one of the main sources of traumatic brain injuries. I think that it is likely that someone who is wearing a helmet during a car crash would be protected to a degree from TBIs, so I looked a bit for a source on this and found this relevant blog post:
Op-Ed: Yes, Gov. Cuomo, Car Helmets Could Save Lives
Fortunately here in the Netherlands we don't have to bike with a helmet on. Would I be supposed to leave it hanging from my bike, exposed to the rain and theft? Or carry it with me into the shops and bars and keep an eye on it? Sounds like a nuisance.
i lock mine with my bike, since bike theft is rampant here.
After a drunk driver going 60 mph in his 3,500-pound BMW hit and killed cyclist Eric Ng, the New York Times pointed out that he had been helmetless.
New community: Fuck the New York Times?
Oh yeah. I refer you to the satirical NYT Pitchbot:
Like shooting ducks in a barrel but spot on.
I will consider wearing a helmet for the next time I have to sitting in a car.
You should also wear a fireproof coverall, who know
This type of rhetoric really reminds me of the anti maskers. You could also extend it to seat belts as well. There is nothing wrong with wearing a reasonable amount of safety gear. It takes seconds to put on and take off a bike helmet.
you don't make an activity safer by discouraging people from doing it 🤷♀️
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