This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Yeah but have you sat in a UPS truck even it's parked? It just beeps non stop.
Hopefully, the mixture is 1% anger to 99% admiration. And that they are inspired to demand more for their labor as well.
TLDR article prob funded by big corporations wants general public to get triggered by unionized organizations.
“Business insider”…yea. With quotes from the CEO about how unfair things are.
As a union electrician that's not $170k on the check. They still making like $95k a year but have benifits paid into the package. Medical, pension, 401k, etc.
Oh... Cool... We get it - So you're saying fuck the bosses, right?
I was in that blind post and it was dumb. Why complain that someone else is getting more money. It's not a competition. Everyone deserves a good life
What’s even more dumb is business insider making a story about it.
Headline should read "Corporate Magazine Attempts to Stoke Up Some Of That Old Anti-Labour Heat From The 80s."
UPS drivers currently make an average of about $95,000 a year with an additional $50,000 in benefits. - That is news to me.
As a Tech worker I think my job is more sophisticated, but much easier and less stressful than of an UPS driver, and I'm happy they can get a decent wage.
Can we react more about trust fund managers and CxO salaries instead?
Interestingly, we sort of can't. Someone would have to write an article about it and no large, for-profit media company would publish it.
The port workers in Vancouver BC also just landed a good deal after striking for a little bit.
I can imagine that UPS drivers would have a lot of leverage since UPS would suffer massively if they couldn't deliver packages.
Westjet union also struck a new deal recently. I think it was something like 30% increase, captains making in neighbourhood of 300k.
I'm definitely very interested in joining a labour union for my next job. Tech workers should be looking to unionize.
I'm not sure tech workers could do UPS jobs or UPS workers could do tech jobs. Different types of people. I think some of the frustration could come from the fact that one requires advanced education. Ideally we're all paid 'enough' and then some are paid more/less depending on skill. Tech workers on average might be better, but it's still not enough in high COLAs to live in comfortable apartment and raise a family without stressing about money.
Why does this article exist? Who cares what tech workers think about someone else's pay rate?
I've been in tech for 3 decades now...and I have nothing but applause for UPS drivers landing this package.
Why would tech workers have a problem with this? From my perspective, that's just one more industry I can consider hopping to if my employer doesn't start getting their shit together when it comes to compensation packages. The more choices available to tech workers, then less beholden they are to their own employers, so this is a win for tech workers also.
UPS drivers getting this deal is better for everyone, in every industry.
BS
Worked in Ed-Tech making less than teachers while at the same time seeing that when the network went down so did the majority of teachers' ability to teach. Didn't make me mad that the person with a Masters made more than the person with an A+. Also spoke to a former tech who, in six years, went from making less than I did in the same position to making over $300k a year.
If you want it, it's out there. You want UPS driver pay? You want to put yourself in one of the more dangerous jobs and do physical labor? You want CISO pay? You want to forego intimate relationships and free time? You want Ed-Tech Technician pay? You want to sit in an air conditioned office, answer printer and smart board tickets and goof off for half of every day?
High paying tech jobs are out there yeah but you gotta be an SME and own a solution which really involves in my POV knowing programming, some backend, networking and infrastructure. Tech work is so vast people only really master one thing. Tech workers are notoriously lazy as well, soon as people get a "cushy" job it's like pulling teeth trying to get them to learn a new skill. Can't tell you the amount of times I've tried to teach old school network guys some devops stuff and they say something like "I don't want to have to learn programming" and when I tell them it's really not as complicated as they think they have some other excuse locked and loaded
The Tech field does encourage laziness in certain specializations. Networking is notorious for it because once it's up and configured properly you should be able to sit back and relax. For the most part it will run itself when set up correctly. And you pay for that downtime by not getting paid as much.
CyberSecurity is absolutely booming right now, and those dudes are making a mint. Why? Cause they're going to run around like beheaded chickens more times than not with the pace that attacks are happening. What's that do for their salary? Shoots it through the roof.
Just because your job is business critical doesn't mean you deserve as much as someone else who's doing business critical work. How much work are you doing to maintain the business is the real question, and like I said above, proper Networks should not require tons of intervention. Security solutions, however, do.
Points from the article:
could get $170,000 in pay and benefits in five years' time in a new contract.
~~"This is disappointing, how is possible that a driver makes much more than average Engineer in R&D?"~~ "This is disappointing, how is possible that an average Engineer in R&D makes much less than a driver?"
It is important to note that the $170,000 figure represents the entire value of the UPS package, including benefits and does not represent the base salary.
Despite some tech workers' resentment, many workers pointed out UPS drivers work under difficult conditions.
"I'd love for you to meet my dad who has delivered for UPS for over 35 years, hauls 100s of packages in the 105+ degree Texas heat, is literally Santa Claus in Dec, and does it for 9+ hours a day at 67 yo,"
