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[–] core@leminal.space 43 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The US is cooked. China is the new world superpower

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (11 children)

To be clear, that’s a good thing. China hasn’t been involved in a war since the Korean War.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

Nah, both countries suck

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[–] eicker@lemmy.world 123 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The US is busy figuring out how to charge a monthly subscription for an AI that summarizes emails. China is making the batteries, solar panels, and drones everyone actually needs. At some point Silicon Valley will announce a breakthrough: a chatbot that explains why manufacturing moved overseas.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The US has not only put all their eggs in one basket, they've taken out loans against the eggs that those chickens will lay once they're hatched.

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 9 points 4 days ago

And they've promised ostrich eggs, but invested in chicken coops.

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[–] TheLastOfHisName@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 days ago

The Chinese play the long game, and play it well. The U.S. is about immediate gain. The future isn't here, so why worry?

[–] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 73 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Don't wanna sound like that guy, but this pretty much due to all the manufacturing capacity we shifted over to China. I mean they certainly got a jump start, yeah? It doesn't hurt that the whole place is a building machine.....wonder where they'd be if we never moved all that manufacturing there to begin with....

[–] eicker@lemmy.world 71 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely, outsourcing manufacturing gave China a massive head start. But the West also outsourced decades of expertise, supply chains, and industrial know how while congratulating itself on becoming a service economy. China didn’t just inherit factories: it invested, learned, innovated, and built an industrial ecosystem. We handed them the starting line, not the finish line.

[–] disorderly@lemmy.world 37 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's worse than most realize. When I went to Guangdong 10 years ago, I expected to meet fabricators and technicians making our products, but I instead met engineers probing our customers and capabilities.

That company has since been acquired for pennies on the dollar by Google, to the surprise of no one.

[–] eicker@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And the irony is that China has moved far beyond copying Western technology. It’s now a global leader in research output, including fundamental research in materials science, chemistry, and physics. The West outsourced manufacturing, underestimated the transfer of expertise, and somehow assumed China would remain the world’s assembly line forever. That assumption aged spectacularly badly.

[–] sunnie@slrpnk.net 21 points 4 days ago

Which is extra ridiculous after having just gone through the same thing with (much smaller) Japan only a couple of decades prior and having domestic auto, heavy and precision machinery markets trounced.

Once they see a few dollar signs in the short term, all long term vision becomes blind.

[–] Glitchvid@lemmy.world 62 points 5 days ago (2 children)

China has 1 billion more people than the US. And they're graduating PhDs in STEM at twice the rate.

Frankly, if you don't expect them to surpass the US in the coming decades, you'd have to be delusional, the numbers bare it out. A billion more people.

[–] Damage@slrpnk.net 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

you’d have to be delusional

or racist. Maybe without even realizing

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[–] deWafelMan@lemmus.org 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Also, currently they have proportionally fewer elders and children. So the adults can fully focus on creating stuff rather than care.

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

America is not falling behind because y’all are caring too much for each other 🤣

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 57 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Invest in academia, get the best new tech.

This is not surprising - the west has some serious university investment to do if it wants to catch up!

[–] NKBTN@feddit.uk 1 points 13 hours ago

There's much more to it than that. If you invent a brilliant new thing that everyone will want... how are you going to make it at scale, at a price people will pay for it? The cheapest, quickest, most efficient way by far would be to make it in China. Sure, maybe you could build the factory and distribution networks in the west, and maybe persuade investors to let you do that, but China will imitate and undercut you astonishing quickly.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

LOL… “Smart people don’t like me,” said Trump. Also, this administration has sped up brain drain like none other (because of stupid, hostile policies — toxic nationalism shit) in our lifetimes.

[–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 16 points 5 days ago

Sorry best we can do is bank bailouts and a depression.

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[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago

The US and EU are seriously fucked. The energy shortage / prices (LNG) seriously hurt e.g. Germany too.

If we don't start to massively invest and make economic plans and return to partially planned economy and nationalize shit we're seriously fucked.

We need especially invest into next gen automation and production and robotics so we can build all the shit people need here not in China.

[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 53 points 5 days ago (44 children)

That is actually good news. World shouldn't be 100% dependent on US technology. I want alternative. So go China, go Japan, go EU, go Canada.

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[–] Krompus@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The US is mag dumping into their own foot.

[–] ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They elected y'all Qaeda and expected to compete with china. No..the ideology you voted into power puts you on footing with Afghanistan.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

The US and its O&G and car industries absolutely let China become the main manufacturer of batteries and EVs.

Like Exxon, the US knew electrification was the future because of climate change, but tried to dismiss it. China seized the opportunity like a true capitalist, while the US government interefered with the free market to hinder electrification. This has been going on for over 20 years now.

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[–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They're in rapid technological development cycles that's reminiscent of the late 20th century USA. Often producing hilariously odd or bad gadgets, which people take as evidence that China sucks. As it's said when it's anything not-China, "you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelet".

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[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I was telling my husband I'd move to China in a heartbeat. That's how far we've fallen.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Are you of Chinese Han descent?

No? Then you will never get the citizenship. China gave fewer citizenships total than Poland does every year.

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[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

China always marches forward silently while everywhere else squabbles. Ive been on the "move to china" train since 2024

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