It's an echo chamber that will remain with us for a long time :/.
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It wasnt barebones til you tweak with expert install. Debian is stable and works as intended the moment it was booted from the installer.
The netinst CD would be the closest to barebones? Most of the Live installers come with graphical DEs and a slew of useful packages preinstalled nowadays.
Use netinst or the full dvd image they're barebones plus expert install. Live installers are sneak peek of DE what looks like.
You just repeated what I said.
Are you daft?
Are you? I provided links and everything.
Mostly they're referring to the different loadout of Ubuntu vs Debian. Debian has a very different set of packages included with a "default" install.
everyone said it’s more for advanced users
I highly doubt that.
some said it’s more for intermediate users
Debian has always had many different types of installation media and a labyrinthine website, which can cause confusion.
Also iirc the default installation medium is just that, not a live medium at the same time. Not me, but it seems enough to confuse some people.
Then others complain about the untweaked default look, and maybe one or two codecs/firmwares missing
(I guess you got lucky there, as did I with my all-intel laptop).
All that is apparently enough to either get confused by or not recommend it to absolute beginners.
They have live installers now! But... the labyrinthine website.
-- Frost
Debian's website is very annoying to navigate to me. I forget exactly why I came to that belief years ago, but you're not alone in thinking that.
That was a while ago, it caught up. But even then it wasn't as often told.