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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

That's the democratic EUrocrats for you

[–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 36 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (4 children)

In case you don't know what 1.0 does:

What is it?

A temporary derogation from the ePrivacy Directive that allowed (but did not require) providers to scan private messages of unsuspected users for potential child sexual abuse material.

Is scanning mandatory?

No — voluntary. In practice used mainly by unencrypted US services such as Gmail, Facebook/Instagram Messenger, Skype, Snapchat, iCloud Mail, and Xbox.

Does it touch encrypted messages?

No. End-to-end encrypted communications were never scanned but providers could deploy client-side scanning under this law.

Status today

Back in force. After expiring on 4 April 2026, it was reinstated on 9 July 2026 when Parliament failed to reach the absolute majority of 361 MEPs needed to reject the Council's fast-tracked "new" law. Only 314 MEPs voted to reject it, so suspicionless mass scanning is permitted to continue until 2028.

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/chat-control-overview

[–] tuxiqae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago

It's so outdated that it's talking specifically about Skype even though it hasn't been a thing for a cople of years now

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Finally, somebody is thinking about the children!

🙄

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

AKA: it does in fact impact E2EE because it allow a thirdy party to read the messages in plain text which E2EE does not lile

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

What third party? It says "providers". So WhatsApp can scan messages you send in WhatsApp. Who's the third party here?

BTW no provider is doing this.

[–] Galapagon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No provider is doing this. WINK WINK

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 56 minutes ago

Which ones are?

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The thirdy part IS whatsapp, thirdy party here is meant from the POV of a conversation, i never invited whatsapp in my convo duh

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -2 points 2 hours ago

You didn't install WhatsApp, add contacts to it and type you messages in it and it's still scanning them? Crazy shit.

[–] abc@suppo.fi 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Also important to note I think is that Chat Control 1.0 was enacted in July 2021. It was meant to be a temporary stop-gap solution until CSAR aka Chat Control 2.0 would be negotiated as a more permanent solution. 1.0 already got extended in 2024 to April 2026 when CSAR wasn't progressing.

So they just reinstated the temporary solution that has already been there for 5 years.

[–] Mikina@programming.dev 5 points 2 hours ago

This is important. Basically, nothing changes. The parties that wanted to (Meta, Google, Microsoft) have already been doing it for the last 5 years.

I'm not defending it, I've been screaming about it every time 2.0 was discussed, especially with people who I know refuse to move away from M$ and Meta, but apparently they don't care that much.

I just hope they will settle on 1.0 passing and fuck off with it being mandatory, so I have at least some place to chat and keep my data.

[–] meow@lemmy.ml 78 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

crazy how you can have a majority vote against something and it still pass

[–] abc@suppo.fi 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The reason for that is that the Parliament was trying to reject a law the Council had already agreed on.

The EU legislative process (ordinary legislative procedure) works like this: Parliament and Council take turns on a bill. Once the Council has adopted its position and it comes back to Parliament for a second reading, the default flips. The bill passes automatically unless Parliament actively rejects or amends it. And rejecting at second reading requires an absolute majority of all 720 MEPs (361 votes), not a majority of those voting.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

That look like bullshit to me tbh, i don't see how does that make sense, someone cam explain to me? Like, why does it have to be an absolute majority?

[–] abc@suppo.fi 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

Like, why does it have to be an absolute majority?

Because it's a pre-existing law.

I think the actual question is: why didn't all the MEPs bother to attend the vote when it was this contentious.

edit Oh, the answer might simply be that they didn't have to be there if they would've voted against not passing.

[–] unglueclass23@programming.dev 45 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

One thing that I don't understand is:

On July 7 there was a vote for this urgent vote to take place. 303 were against, 331 were for, (- 28 people) (so it passed)

Today (July 9th) the actual vote for this law took part. 314 were against, 276 were for (+38) (yet still passed).

Please tell me why MEP's voted for this urgent vote to take place and then later (on July 9th) voted against it ?? Were they misled or something?

[–] pmk@piefed.ca 32 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

They both want it to pass and then be able to say they voted against it when asked about it.

[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 16 points 20 hours ago

aka deceiving the electorate.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 71 points 23 hours ago (2 children)
[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck Populists*
Time to revolt.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

The scum pushing chat control are in no way "populists." No actual people want it!

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social -2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That's how populism works🙃

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Populism is when unpopular and serving only the elite? Nah, I'm pretty sure you've got that exactly backwards.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 0 points 14 hours ago

Populism arises from you giving your power for others to orchestrate. Whether by majority or minority, the longer you admit their power, the longer the will encroach on your rights.

Tis why elitism exists, because the majority have decided to grant the minority rule over the majority.

It's time to take your power back.

[–] ImNotAi@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Fuck this corruption and Hawaiian pizza

[–] alakey@piefed.social 33 points 21 hours ago

Until this trash starts being scared of dropping dead they have no reason to stop

We don't actually have power over whether or not Chat Control gets passed. The briefcases have decided that they want it, and will push it through regardless of how many delays there are.

[–] DaedalousIlios@pawb.social 3 points 15 hours ago

After watching Pantheon, I don't want any tech CEOs discussing any kind of digital intelligence in Palo Alto.

[–] unglueclass23@programming.dev 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

....mostly France and Germany in favor.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

First vote, in favor = PRO Chatcontrol


Germany voted mostly against.
France in favor.

Second vote, in favor = AGAINST Chatcontrol

Germany voted mostly in favor. France did really good in this.

[–] far_university1990@reddthat.com 2 points 16 hours ago

Favor to block order, no?

[–] KissYagni@programming.dev 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Asking to cyptography experts. Would it be possible to flood a discussion with AI generated slope ? The discussion itslef would not be encrypted, but would be lost in millions of other generated discussion. A "private key" mechanism would be use to identify which message are part of your real discussion.

I suppose this would be compliant with Chat Control, as message are not encrypted. But without private key, you won't be able to identify which message are the good ones.

[–] cadekat@pawb.social 7 points 22 hours ago (4 children)
[–] hash@slrpnk.net 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

https://veilid.com/

Not a fully functional chat app but an interesting project/framework being developed. They've described it as "TOR mixed with IPFS without the crypto." Uses a DHT similar to torrents with built in secure routing reminiscent of TOR. Importantly, it's not a VPN, but designed to be built into the applications themselves. All apps powered by Veilid also contribute to the network and can be assigned any role in "the onion." The most important pitch is that by being built into apps it can bring very strong privacy and security to the layperson, though app developers still need to address things like ensuring users retain access to data without email recovery etc.

Anyway, If you like these kinds of projects I'd look into it. I think it has some really good bones and it feels like we need it to mature sooner rather than later.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I sure hope there would be crypto in any private chat app??

[–] hash@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Ha. For those that don't get the joke obviously there's cryptograpy, but not cryprocurrenty like IPFS uses.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 3 hours ago

IPFS does not have a cryptocurrency.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 9 points 21 hours ago

Looks like its on its last legs. Hopefully they get more collaborators.

Briar is in maintenance mode

This is a quick update about the status of Briar. Short version: the project is still active but we’re only making essential security updates and bugfixes for now.

Long version:

For several years we’ve been trying to find solutions to some of the longstanding issues with Briar, such as high battery usage and unreliable background operation on Android, missing features like account backup and file attachments, and a difficult user experience for adding contacts and communicating offline.

We considered completely rebuilding the application from the ground up, or even splitting it into separate applications for online and offline use. Meanwhile, the project didn’t have funding, we were reluctant to look for funding without having a long-term plan, and so we could only work on Briar in our spare time.

Last year, we decided that we wouldn’t realistically be able to solve these issues and so we reluctantly decided to shut down the project. We worked on releasing a final update for Android and desktop to allow the app to remain functional for as long as possible. In the meantime we were hearing a lot of supportive words from people we had told about our decision, and the app continued to attract new users. So finally we decided to continue the project in maintenance mode. We’re only making essential security updates and bugfixes for now, but eventually we hope to make some incremental progress on those longstanding issues.

We’re sending out this update because some rumours have been circulating that the project is shutting down, based on conversations we had with people in the internet freedom and privacy community last year. Those rumours are out of date: the project is continuing.

[–] Stiggyman@ani.social 4 points 22 hours ago

I hope we see some push back.