Venezuela needs another revolution right now! : comradeship

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If you are reacting like this to a strategic retreat from our comrades in Venezuela, I can't imagine how you will react if you time travelled to the time when Lenin signed the Brest-Litovsk treaty.

As context, Lenin signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, ceding a vast territory to Germany—one rich in population, mines, oil, and gas. Half the left called him a traitor. But if he hadn’t signed, Germany would have invaded, and the Bolshevik Revolution would have ended right there. Lenin gave up all that to buy time.

(Comrades may correct me if I made some imprecisions)Stalin did the same in 1939 with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. He signed with the Nazis and pushed the Soviet border further back. He gained two and a half years to prepare before the German invasion he knew was coming. At the time, many criticized him. History judged him differently.

Will you call Lenin a traitor or worse a German spy as well for his decision? Will you dare say at that time that the Bolsheviks needed to be toppled as you are suggesting to Venezuela?

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 week ago

Very well put 👍 calling for a "revolution" whilst Venezuela is under extreme siege by the most advanced imperialist nation on earth is exactly the goal of the imperialists, regime change.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 week ago

This is unprincipled and you need to do some reflection about it. People have provided you with detailed perspectives/arguments on the case of Venezuela multiple times over multiple threads. Now you are calling for active instability there based on surface level details.

It's distinguishable from the way the west talks when they advocate for color revolutions, just with an ultra left bent to it; talking like the people need to be saved from themselves, without consulting them on how they feel about anything.

If some tweets are sending you to this place, then maybe lay off the twitter cycle. Trump lies his ass off and everything is a circus performance to him. Don't let the imperialists dictate how you think about the world. Don't let some surface level politicking substitute for an in-depth view of things.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Western leftists need to shut up and focus on their own conditions. Regime change in Venezuela is literally the goal of the US criminal blockade.

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sadly, the debate regarding Venezuela is intense EVEN in Cuban telegram channels. In others words, Westerners aren't the only ones scared regarding Venezuela but even Global South comrades(I have seen Iranian and Cuban comrades in different channels that I am in voicing both sides of the debates). As evidence of this, you can check this post from a Colombian comrade that synthesised both positions regarding this debate: https://xcancel.com/Edisson_hilos/status/2053998295471575292#m

As always, we have to move forward and always fight back against the US funded narrative regarding Venezuela. We will prevail if we avoid falling for the imperialist bait as the Colombian comrade mentioned:

The worst thing we can do is take the CIA's bait. Dividing ourselves, accusing one another, and killing each other among revolutionaries while the enemy watches from above, waiting for us to finish the job for them. It worked in Grenada.

Those who speak out have a right to do so. So do those who defend the cause. But calling a critic a traitor or accusing someone who offers a nuanced view of being a sellout is like handing the enemy what it couldn’t achieve with bombs.

Obviously, we must be very vigilant. Our Venezuelan brothers and sisters must guard against those who take advantage of negotiations with the oppressor to let themselves be swayed. At those negotiating tables, bonds are forged, and those who lack a firm resolve end up confusing the genocidal pedophile with a partner.

Venezuela needs us to stop destroying ourselves and put all our energy into what can save us: maintaining unity, welcoming self-criticism, keeping a cool and analytical head, truly preparing ourselves by correcting what went wrong, organizing, arming ourselves, building real power, and using this “time of submission” without wasting it.

I’m thinking of a mural they painted at the UPTC, here in Bogotá, Colombia, featuring a quote by Camilo Torres:

“Let’s focus on what unites us and set aside what divides us.”

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago

La historia la juzgara por sus acciones en el tiempo que ha ganado 👍

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Dawg, I am from Global South.

[–] Regular_undead@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why?

[+] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml -15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Fuck comprador governments, that's why!

[–] burlemarx@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 week ago

Need to wait and see what is going on right now. If the people of Venezuela wanted a new revolution right now, you'd see many demonstrations in the street. But since they are coming from years of deprivation due to sanctions, I don't think the population is looking down to the current deal. So for you to know, even if the Petroleum royalties they charged the US were pretty low, some neighboring countries like Brazil charge even lower than Venezuela.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck off lol, they're under an extreme siege. The US needs a revolution.

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But the revolutionary potential of Venezuelans is miles higher than the Americans.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 week ago

They're under extreme siege by the most bloodthirsty country on earth and you want them to have a civil war rn?

[–] Lenins_Dumbbell@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 week ago

My guy, their president got kidnapped in the middle of the night. Any revolution in Venezuela now of all times would lead to nothing but chaos and another, worse US installed puppet

[–] MasterDeeLuke@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even if so...there are at least 150 other countries out there that would be better off having a revolution then Venezuela which at the bare minimum is still progressive and opposed to letting fascists take political control.

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I don't know, man. Losing an anti-imperialist country that happens to have the largest Oil reserves in the world to the United States and still have the sanctions and embargoes placed on them after capitulating to the imperialists looks like a loser move to me. Even the Soviets managed to get huge trade benefits by signing the M-R pact with Nazis that later helped them prepare for the war. Iran had their sanctions lifted by fighting back against US instead of capitulating.

[–] Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What makes you think Venezuela has the same capacity to respond militarily as Iran, right next to the empire itself? What makes you think Iran would not have preferred a diplomatic solution that would avoid having hundreds of schoolgirls murdered in an instant? Sometimes, tactical retreats are the only way to gain strategic victories. The government of Venezuela is intact, and while their hands are now more tied, they continue to exist and the legacy of the Bolivarian revolution remains. Any revolt at this moment would greatly risk having the US-backed opposition taking power, not the proletariat.

[+] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml -7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Rodriguez government doesn't even pretend to be sovereign.

[–] Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 week ago

Do they not? They are navigating a frail position where the US Empire can come in again at any moment. If they pretended nothing happened whatsoever then the US Empire would still be exerting the same brutal pressure they were exerting at the peak.

[–] Lenins_Dumbbell@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 week ago

Bro you need to stop treating this like a Marvel Movie. Venezuela has no leverage against the US.

The reason Iran could do what it did is because it's a large country, has extremely favourable geography for defense, has one of the best domestic military industries for missiles, and their nuclear option, SoH, can bring the world economy to its knees.

Despite all that, Iran has been pushing for negotiations and diplomacy. Because you can't treat real life like a movie. Every Iranian that dies in this war is a loss. Every piece of infrastructure destroyed is a loss.

Venezuela is in an even worse position. They have none of Iran's advantages, and they're right next door to the US.

If you're upset about this, you better prepare yourself because this is going to become very common in the LatAm as the US starts retreating from the east and starts reasserting their power in LatAm to the delusions of being a super power alive.

[–] Regular_undead@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago

I think it's still too early to say we lost Venezuela. Like another comrade has said here, some sanctions were lifted, and a deal was made to receive Petroleum royalties.

We need to remember that Venezuela still suffered a strategic defeat, they can't just act like Maduro and Flores weren't kidnapped, plus they aren't as strong as Iran or the USSR, and they are much closer to the US, so their current stance is understandable.

About Washington's claims of now controlling the country: They keep saying the same thing about all other countries they attacked. They'll never admit they attacked Venezuela for so little gain as a simple setback of the Bolivarian revolution, just like they'll never admit they were humiliated by Yemen Iran, or China, or that they weren't able to balkanize Russia.

Personally, the news given by comrade rainpizza on Venezuela have me believe I should still show support.

[–] MasterDeeLuke@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Look, I sympathize, and I don't really like the way it seems they are rolling over so easily either but... calling for an overthrow which has a large chance of just creating further damage and instability this early seems a bit premature. Deng's China and their deals with the US could of been viewed as capitulating too and yet here we are.

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's an insult to compare this comprador regime to Deng Xioping's China.

Edit: Except for the invasion of Vietnam.

[–] opiumfree@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

me seeing yall suddenly massacre my boy saymaz

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They will learn their lesson soon insert the eyes closed wojack.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Learn what lesson?

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just like the Rodriguez sibling did to Maduro's colsest allies in the government?

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is a Twitter meme, Qrt means “Quote re-tweet”. You basically just said that a primary concern is Venezuelan Twitter spats.

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What? Get offline.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Why are you lashing out.

Also you post multiple times a day, every day, not to mention dozens of comments. You're throwing rocks from an incredibly fragile glass house if you want to tell someone to get offline.

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't post twitter culture memes.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, you only reference random esoteric wojacks… A 4chan meme

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 6 days ago

Yes. Something that gets posted here a lot.

[+] stalinmustacheuwu@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago

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[–] demeritum@lemmygrad.ml -5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Vietnam is much worse than Venezuela right now.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago

How is the Đổi Mới policy any different from Deng's reforms?

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What do you mean by that?

[–] demeritum@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Vietnam is actively pushing through privatization and cooperating with the western empire

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago

hmm ... source?

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