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Sanders went to a UAW conference and called undocumented workers criminals, said we should deport them and demanded a strong border. That’s the same nationalist poison used by Trump to divide workers. (i.imgur.com)

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[–] null@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 day ago

Bernie Sanders is so fucking GOATed that the only way to make him look bad it to clip out like 2 seconds of a much larger argument.

[–] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nice job taking that far out of context. Sanders absolutely did not call undocumented workers "criminals."

Look, what's going on in the US is horrific. The lack of any due process under the Brown Shirts... errr, ICE is an abomination. But really? You're going to resort to whatever this machination is?

[–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Came here to say this. Sanders literally says that deporting undocumented criminals is fine but the Trump admin and ruling class are trying to scapegoat undocumented folks as being 100% criminals when they're not. This type of behavior is what keeps the left divided. Do better OP

[+] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's in the fucking video. He said he wants to get rid of undocumented criminals

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

So you don't think that it would be fine to deport undocumented criminals?

Not undocumented workers, but undocumented criminals who have had a trial and convicted of a crime?

You think it would be unfair to deport the actual criminals?

I for one am not denying that he said deport the criminals, but you specifically claimed he said deport the workers and called them criminals when he specifically said deport the criminals. He made no claims that all undocumented workers were criminals.

[–] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

He said he wants to get rid of undocumented criminals

Now you're moving the goalposts. And it's NOT in the fucking video.

"Yes, we want to get rid of undocumented criminals in this country, that's fine, let's do that." https://youtu.be/_rBm3PBFQnU?t=1426 Pay attention to his tone when he says the quote and keep watching after the quote.

There is a defined and well-trod path for deporting undocumented criminals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgNnbTrsgw). Being an undocumented immigrant in the US is a civil offense (which presents its own problems), not a criminal offense. Therefore, undocumented immigrants != undocumented criminals, even though undocumented criminals are still often processed through the civil system which undermines due process and the procedural safeguards of criminal proceedings.

The point that Sanders is making in the speech is that capital class is manipulating proles. The goal of the manipulation is to convince workers that immigrants are to blame for everything being so fuct. You're zeroing in on something out of context, changing your statements, and completely neglecting the message of worker solidarity in that speech.

Regardless of how one feels about Sanders, strong borders, and punitive immigration enforcement, I think we can all get behind worker solidarity.

[–] assembly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I don’t think anyone is saying that actual violent criminals who are in the country illegally should be allowed to stay. What the current regime is doing is saying that all those undocumented in the country are violent criminals which is obviously false. I haven’t seen the whole video but I would wager that is what Sanders was talking to.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bernie is one of the good ones.

Educate yourself better about politicians. There are plenty of others that actually deserve criticism.