I have never understood why the love for Discord. It's just a chat service.
I miss 90's era Trillian.
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I have never understood why the love for Discord. It's just a chat service.
I miss 90's era Trillian.
It combines a lot of features that otherwise require multiple other apps to achieve the same result, and thus requires you and your friends to create multiple accounts. Not insurmountable in theory, but people are primed for convenience, so it's good to have a truly federated FLOSS replacement for that, just as Lemmy/Piefed are federated FLOSS replacements for reddit.
I guess the main points are voice chat channels, community building, bots, free, chat capability as well.
It was pretty attractive for gamers. Especially in the MMO section where you needed to get 20+ people in. Compared to in-game voice it was private as well, so you weren't talking for your entire lobby.
It's not just a text chat app/IRC replacement. There's no calling, just voice channels. Hop in the voice channel to join if you want to play/talk. It was good.
Looking at alternatives I still feel there's not a lot of competition for discord.
Sure there's matrix, but from what I gather online it's not the easiest to set up ( at least the voice ), most people aren't interested in self hosting this stuff or paying for it. There's IRC, but that doesn't have voice chat. Slack/mattermost has voice, but you need to start a call and it doesn't support 30 people.
Guilded.gg seemed to be a good competitor ( no experience ) but that has been discontinued. Now there's gamevox.com and rootapp.com that seem to be fighting for that market share.
Moving from one big corp to another though... I've looked into self hosting a teamspeak6 server on my vps for friends. Max 32 people. And I'm losing resources on my vps for it.
Discord was going to shite, but they're speeding up now.
Just a heads up, Gamevox is proprietary and hosts their server with AWS. Root and Teamspeak 6 are also proprietary. None of them are federated.
I'd suggest looking at this to see why a federated FLOSS option is imperative.
Oh I fully agree. This wasn't to say we don't need a federated solution. It's simply that i did not find any FOSS solution which was readily available.
I tried revolt in the past, but post rebrand their website doesn't even mention voice anymore. It might be there? The article somewhat confirms part of what I said ( not really many FOSS alternatives which are mature/fill the use-case, let alone distributed ).
Matrix is mature enough but I've heard getting voice to work is not that straightforward. It's also not as simple as registering and building your space. You can self host it, but then you're responsible for hosting/security/patching/upgrades/... . Which is outside of a large audience their circle of interest. You could rent a matrix server, but that a quick search gives me servers around 50€/month. That is a pretty steep price just for some voice chat with friends. If there's a proprietary free version people will always just do that. The only ones who don't are people who do it out of principle.
People will take the path of least resistance, and as it stands I feel proprietary software currently is ahead ( simplicity, features, maturity, ... ). The downsides obviously being the fact your data is being sold off. I'd not now then when they've reached critical mass and the VC are looking to squeeze to get their investment back with extras.
I mentioned big tech, but I should have said proprietary as it's not necessarily a big tech alternative.
But yes, I would love to have a distributed FOSS discord-like software I can use with my friends.
But as it stands I can't even get people to move away from WhatsApp for signal despite the nightmare that is meta. Let alone convincing people to move to something less polished when their friends are using <other tool that is polished, but proprietary>.
Let us hope comes up while there is still momentum.
because most other chat services kind of suck, discord made sure to polish everything up a bit and implement good voice chat in the same package.
I tried it out today, I was impressed. However, what about the mobile experience?
It's installable as a PWA. After it's loaded up in your preferred mobile browser, you should be able to open the browser menu (the 3 dots) and add it to your homescreen as its own app (on Firefox Mobile based browsers, it's the option 'Add app to Homescreen), so that it doesn't load the browser UI.
There are native mobile XMPP apps too that you can use with the same account, such as Monocles (Android) or Monal (iPhone) but they're not yet quite as full featured as the Movim client (they can't yet do group calls or screenshare, but can do 1 on 1 video calls).
I see. But if it's a PWA you won't be getting any notifications?
It supports Webpush, so if you use a browser for the PWA that support that you should be getting notifications. In my experience it isn't quite as reliable as a native Android app though, but nothing really stops you to have both on your phone connecting to the same account.
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