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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 44 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Lower, middle, and upper class is such an antiquated way of dividing people into groups to keep them at odds with each other.

The fact of the matter is, there are truthfully only two classes. The working class, and the capital class. 95-99% of individuals fall into some strata of working class. If you earn a wage, a salary, or a commission in order to purchase basic necessities- you are working class. If your money makes you money simply by existing, and your assets passively appreciating in value mean that you do not have to work for a living in order to buy basic necessities, then you are in the capital class.

[–] FahrenheitGhost@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

The working class and the capital class = The slave class and the ruling class.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago

It's class warfare

Always was..

[–] iii@mander.xyz 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Most people are a bit of both, no?

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Ideally, everyone would be in a position to break into the lowest strata of the capital class by the time they reach retirement age and can no longer work. For most people, that translates into a, IRA or 401k built over decades of years working, assets like a house appreciating in value (so that you can borrow against that increased value), and perhaps a pension or some other form of investment that yields dividends.

Even then. I'd argue that if you retire knowing that if you live within your means, your funds will last you for 20 years, you're not actually in the capital class. It doesn't matter for most people, because few people expect to be able to live for that long past retirement and they can always adjust their spending habits to push the number out a bit farther if it looks like they will outlive their retirement savings. But that's just it, it's more like a savings and not endlessly accumulating more and more wealth. For the true capital class, their money passively grows and generates more wealth faster than they can spend it.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 5 days ago

Most people are living paycheck to paycheck... But if you mean owning stock or a retirement portfolio makes you a capitalist then I think that is still incorrect. People who actually own the company of whose stock you "own" can make decisions that will ultimately decimate your retirement savings while enriching themselves.

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[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 36 points 6 days ago (17 children)

There is no middle class. There are only working class and wealth class. Just because you are high earner in an office job doesn't mean you're not working class.

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[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

how expensive it is to be poor

For anyone that needs the read, Terry Pratchett said it so well it is an economic theory now, the Boots theory.

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. ... A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. ... But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socio-economic unfairness.[4]

From Men at Arms by Sir Terry Pratchett

Also, a history of "people don't want to work" bullshit going back to 1894: https://thunderdungeon.com/2024/07/14/nobody-wants-to-work-anymore/

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

People don't want to work and are lazy is a bullshit talking point even older than 1894.

The first ever modern self-help book ever published (literally called self-help) was made a man with a lifelong history of business and financial failure and yet also still believed that it was no legislation or social assistance, but personal 'morals' and ethics are what gets people out of poverty and into comfort.

It was bullshit then and bullshit now. It is such a dark realization that what causes so much quality of life increases is not productivity or technology but legislation and policy.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It is such a dark realization that what causes so much quality of life increases is not productivity or technology but legislation and policy.

And that's how we got Prosperity Gospel: rich folk trying to justify their lazy asses hoarding wealth and complaining about the people who actually do the work wanting fair compensation for their time and effort.

Prosperity Gospel is a bit older than that. There was a time when people thought that being rich or becoming rich was a direct blessing from god... ironically the people who really first disputed that in Europe were the Dutch, whose trade and double-entry accounting laid the foundation of modern capitalism.

I should mention that in 1001 Arabian Nights, at least in the story of Sinbad the Sailor, Sinbad (as an old man telling his story to a young man coincidentally named Sinbad as well) that his fortune was more luck than anything. At least he acknowledged that.

[–] Devial@discuss.online 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

In general it can be said that poor people do not have the capital to make upfront investments which become profitable over time. Not even just literal investing, but investing in things like a more fuel efficient car, upgrading the insulation in your house/apartment to save on heating, buying non-perishables in bulk when there's a good deal, buying a dish washer instead of hand washing...

So many things that let you save tons of money in the long run, require relatively large upfront investments, that poor people can't afford. That's a big reason why poverty can be such an insidious vicious loop, that can be extremely hard to escape from.

Two identical households, with identical income could have vastly different financial situations, just based on if their income was previously low, and they weren't able to afford any of these investments, vs. If their income was previously high, having allowed them to previously make these large investments to reduce their long term monthly costs, and secure enough liquidity to be able to continue occasionally making these investments.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

Thank you for the expansion.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 16 points 6 days ago

Screwing the poor is a time honored tradition in capitalism.

From Cracked's article, 5 Cruel Ways Being Poor Is Expensive

  • Household Goods Like Toilet Paper Cost More For Poor People
  • The IRS Audits Poor People More Frequently Than Rich People
  • Poor People Have To Pay Extra To Access Money They've Already Earned
  • "New Customer Fees" Are Thinly Disguised Penalties For Being Poor
  • Nutritional Inequality Goes Much Deeper Than Food Deserts

From another article, 5 Screwed-Up Ways The World's Stacked Against Poor People

  • "Period Poverty" Is A Very Real Problem
  • "Transit Deserts" Keep People From Finding Work
  • Low-Income Housing Is Leaving Residents With Massive Energy Bills
  • Low-Income Neighborhoods Experience Longer Emergency Response Times
  • Low-Income Families Are More Likely To Be Audited

Finally, Why We Can't Stop Hating The Poor

  • We Have Laws Designed To Make The Poor Look Like Assholes
  • The Hate Comes From Some Unexpected Places
  • Poor People Smell Bad
  • The Poor Remind Us That Sometimes The System Is In Fact Bullshit
  • We Have To Believe People Deserve What They Get
[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Because middle class is used wrong in North America.

Poverty class is simple, you don't have enough to live.

Labor class is divided into three;

Low labor, your barely paid enough to scrape by.

Middle labor, your paid enough for your work to live.

High labor, you're paid well for your work. Perhaps you own your own small business.

Middle class, you aren't paid a wage or salary anymore, you're income comes from the things you own. As rich as a politician or nobility but not much political power.

Upper class, in old Europe this would be the nobels. Duke's, Earls, Lords, that type of stuff. In modern north America this would be the ultra rich. You have political power and you own a lot of stuff. This is where most representatives are.

Politician class, former Royal class. You rule, extreme political power and wealth.

Most people in North America think they're in the middle class when really they're in the Labor middle class, it's very different

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (9 children)

Working class is everybody who must work to live.

Wealth class is everybody else.

There is no such thing as a middle class, that is a lie. Everybody seems to think they're in the middle class, because that puts somebody below them, and gives them a reason to continue working under wage slavery. This is the purpose of the lie.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The fun thing is that everyone thinks they are middle class. When I was making €45k a year I thought I was middle class because I had an university degree and a leadership position. At the same time my boss, who had just spent €5mio acquiring a 50% share in a second company and owned three houses (two of which he rented out) also considered himself middle class because he wasn't a billionaire.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

because middle class is good and noble.

being poor or wealthy means you're an asshole and is considered shameful.

hence everyone is desperate to claim they are not rich and desperately afraid of being seen as poor by people richer than themselves.

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I once had a friend, which gf had to send him like 10Euro per month, for him to get monthly more than minimal wage which was considered "middle class" for some fucking reason in this country.

He was so emotional about this shit, that I am still not sure if he was for real about that or not...

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

for some fucking reason

I'm very curious what the reason is

[–] simsalabim@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I bet it's for their bank. At least in Europe, many banks charge for your account if your income is below a threshold. My partner can't work full time so I send them like 50€ per month so that they don't have to pay bank fees. Which is ridiculous, as we have our 3 accounts all at the same bank.

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[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

If you’re going to talk about class society, you might as well use the Marxist terms: proletariat, petit-bourgeoisie, and bourgeoise.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago

That used to be true, pre-1980's, when the middle class was way, way bigger than it is today.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Username tracks.

[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Let the Leftist infighting commence!

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

pretty much. this entire thread is just folks arguing over the meanings of middle class, and most of them denying it exists as if that is going to create class solidarity. it won't. majority of posters probably are middle class folks who would never in a million years associate with truly working class people. esp because the working class is typically conservative and doesn't have liberal/progressive values, at least in the USA.

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