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Matvei Bronstein: Theorical physicist. Pioneer of quantum gravity. Arrested, accused of fictional "terroristic" activity and shot in 1938

Lev Shubnikov: Experimental physicist. Accused on false charges. Executed

Adrian Piotrovsky: Russian dramaturge. Accused on false charges of treason. Executed.

Nikolai Bukharin: Leader of the Communist revolution. Member of the Politburo. Falsely accused of treason. Executed.

General Alexander Egorov: Marshal of the Soviet Union. Commander of the Red Army Southern Front. Member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. Arrested, accused on false charges, executed.

General Mikhail Tukhachevsky Supreme Marshal of the Soviet Union. Nicknamed the Red Napoleon. Arrested, accused on fake charges. Executed.

Grigory Zinoviev: Chairman of the Communist International Movement. Member of the Soviet Politburo. Accused of treason and executed.

Even the secret police themselves were not safe:

Genrikh Yagoda : Right-hand of Joseph Stalin. Head of the NKD Secret Police. He spied on everyone in Russia and jailed thousands of innocents. Yagoda was arrested and executed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda

Nikolai Yezhov : Appointed head of the NKD Secret Police after the death of Yagoda. Arrested on fake charges, executed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Yezhov

Everybody was absolutely terrified during this period. At least 600 000 people were killed and over 100 000 people were deported to Gulags in Siberia.

Today, Russian schools no longer teach what Joseph Stalin did. Many young russians actually believe that Stalin was a great patriot.

This is part of an effort by Vladimir Putin to rehabilitate him:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/10/vladimir-putin-russia-rehabilitating-stalin-soviet-past

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/21/stalin-is-making-a-comeback-in-russia-heres-why-a89155

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[–] telokic@lemmy.world 197 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (49 children)

And this, folks, is why I prefer to live in a democracy.

Perhaps some dictators are competent. But if they go crazy, you are truly fucked.

[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 204 points 1 week ago (7 children)

i’d like to point out that communism is an economic system whereas democracy is a social one, they are not incompatible concepts….

just because Stalin wasn’t a very communist regime but was brutally authoritarian and is widely criticized as “what communism is like”.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 105 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Communism under a dictatorship is a paradox. The people own and control nothing. The leader and their chosen circle own and control everything. That is neither communism nor socialism and it is not possible for either to exist in any authoritarian context.

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 week ago

I like the "moneyless" part of the definition, aka if you have a currency you're not communist. Which, to be fair, they didn't call themselves as a country.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Well, the problem is that to get to the utopia called Communism were everybody is equal, a Society has to first go through the Dictatorship Of The Proletariat after the Workers Seize The Means Of Production and, curiously (or maybe not so curiously if one understands at least a bit of Human Nature, especially that of the kind of people who seek power) none of the nations which went into the Dictatorship Of The Proletariat (i.e. all the ones which call or called themselves "Communist") ever actually reached Communism and they all got stuck in Dictatorial regimes (and I believe in not a single one of those is the Proletariat actually in charge: for example in China Labour Unions are illegal),

So whilst it is indeed not possible for Communism to exist in an authoritarian context, according to Marxism-Leninism to get to Communism one must first go through an authoritarian context and eventually from there reach Communism, hence why all those nations that tried to reach Communism never got past the authoritarian stage that precedes Communist.

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[–] fonix232@fedia.io 31 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Yep.

Communism and socialism in itself isn't that problematic an economic system. Unless of course you belong to the few select brands of freeloaders who've successfully managed to sell to the general population that without you, everything would collapse (looking at you, landlords and billionaires and stock market speculators).

The problem is that the economic part can't work without an evenly matched societal system - and for people to bypass their immediate greed reaction of the usual "why should the result of my work go to others who didn't do that work" BS, as seeing far ahead to realise that pooling resources in such manner will benefit everyone, and when the community thrives, so does the individual. For that, one needs proper education, which is usually the antithesis of a capitalist system (a capitalist system will inherently only allow one to learn a limited set of facts, and will systematically ridicule those who dare step outside those limits).

And herein lies the second problem. Socialism and communism could be great for the average people, but the average people have been misled and lied to and been brainwashed for so long, they need to be forcibly broken out of that bubble. And the only way to force that is through a revolution, and authoritarian enforcement of the socioeconomic system.

Now the problem with that is... it's incredibly easy for a malicious actor to then infiltrate the authoritarian system, and push its leaders to do counterproductive things. Add on top of that the constant CIA meddling, and you get your run of the mill authoritarian "communist" (in name only) paranoid leader who rules with an iron fist. The intention might've been good, but the execution was starkly against the very people the revolution was supposed to help. Repeat it a few times and now the whole world is afraid of the economic system, not authoritarianism.

Then continue by throwing in some brainwashed tankies who literally suck up to the authoritarian regimes, spreading BS about how those are "true communism", just so average people don't even consider learning about it because the term becomes synonymous with authoritarians and their bootlickers.

[–] zeca@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

but the average people have been misled and lied to and been brainwashed for so long, they need to be forcibly broken out of that bubble. And the only way to force that is through a revolution, and authoritarian enforcement of the socioeconomic system.

That word "only" seems too pessimistic and unjustified, and your point relies too heavily on it.

[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

The problem is that the economic part can't work without an evenly matched societal system

well that’s absurd, and exactly why the tankies are shilling so hard

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[–] dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago

Communism is very much a social system. Implying economics don't have a huge impact on society would be the opposite of Marxism.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 week ago (31 children)

But he wasn't criticizing communism, or advocating for capitalism. He was criticizing a dictator and saying he prefers democracy.

Unless you think communism can't exist outside of a brutal dictatorship.

[–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I think communism can't exist in a brutal dictatorship

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

communism is an economic system whereas democracy is a social one

Communism is a political and economic ideology whose goal is the creation of a communist society, the pseudoscientifically postulated utopia of a stateless, classless, moneyless, post-scarcity society. Communist ideology is like the Christianity of politics & economics that keeps promising the 2nd coming of Christ: they insist it'll happen someday inevitably. No possible way Marx was wrong.

Colloquially, communism refers to a communist state (also known as a Marxist–Leninist state): a political system/government consisting of a socialist state following Marxist–Leninist political philosophy with a dictatorial ruling class that promises to achieve a communist society.

Democracy is a political system/government in which political power is vested in the people or the population of a state. Colloquially, democracy refers to liberal democracy, also called Western-style democracy, or substantive democracy: democracy following ideas of liberal political philosophy.

So, colloquially, communism refers to a political & economic system whereas democracy refers to a political system.

As a political system, the communist state is totalitarian, the most extreme authoritarianism:

Totalitarianism is a label used by various political scientists to characterize the most tyrannical strain of authoritarian systems; in which the ruling elite, often subservient to a dictator, exert near-total control of the social, political, economic, cultural and religious aspects of society in the territories under its governance.

Whereas an authoritarian regime is primarily concerned with political power rather than changing the world & human nature (they will grant society a certain degree of liberty as long as that power is uncontested), totalitarianism aims for more. A totalitarian government is more concerned with changing the world & human nature to fulfill an ideology: it seeks to completely control the thoughts & actions of its citizens through such tactics as

  • Political repression: according to their ideology, rights aren't inherent or fundamental, the state is the source of human rights. Rights (eg, freedom of speech, assembly, & movement) are suppressed. Dissent is punished. Unauthorized political activities aren't tolerated.
  • State terrorism: secret police, purges, mass executions & surveillance, persecution of dissidents, labor camps.
  • Control of information: full control over mass communication media & the education system to promote the ideology.
  • Economic control.

All of this is entirely compatible with Marxism-Leninism.

Liberalism, however, is fundamentally incompatible with authoritarianism. It holds that governments exist for the people & authority is legitimate only when it protects inalienable/fundamental/inherent rights & liberties of individuals. The people have an inherent right to obtain a government with legitimate authority, and when their government lacks or loses legitimacy, the people have a right & duty replace or change that government until it obtains legitimacy.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Liberalism, however, is fundamentally incompatible with authoritarianism.

an argument easily disproven by pointing to the US for the last few decades.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The "political" aspect of communism stems directly from the desire to radically alter the economic system. It is not tied, however, to the particular political order.

Coming from the same very Wikipedia article you cite on communism:

Communists often seek a voluntary state of self-governance but disagree on the means to this end. This reflects a distinction between a libertarian socialist approach of communization, revolutionary spontaneity, and workers' self-management, and an authoritarian socialist, vanguardist, or party-driven approach to establish a socialist state, which is expected to wither away.

So, communism, just as capitalism and socialism, can be combined with all sorts of governance types. It can be authoritarian (and so can be capitalism - look at fascism to see an example), and it can be democratic (early Soviets) or even libertarian (anarcho-communism). You can build a totalitarian communist hellhole, and a totalitarian capitalist one; same in reverse.

Now, an argument can actually be made that capitalism is inherently undemocratic. As your ability to exercise rights is heavily tied to your wealth (think of regular worker suing a billionaire, or all the lobbying, or corruption scandals involving the wealthiest and the way they slip out of them like nothing ever happened), people can be and commonly are silenced. Moreover, if you have money, nothing stops you from financing the media to translate your message. This way, important political messages are drowned in favor of what the rich want to translate, and certain (rather corrupt) voices are heavily amplified over others.

By extension, liberalism, even in the most ideal of its forms, is deeply flawed when it comes to a true democracy.

Finally, most communists (including Marx, since you mention him) realize that the communist society is at least very far off from the current state of affairs. This is why socialism exists as a transitory state, an economic system that grants a lot of benefits of communism (worker's rights, a social state, socially owned industry) while keeping the monetary incentives in the economy. The absolute majority of communists support this transition and welcome a socialist state.

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[–] Overshoot2648@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

I would personally prefer a Mutualist system.

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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

is the democracy in the room with you now?

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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 91 points 1 week ago (1 children)

dot ml 'bout to crest the horizon like the riders of rohan.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I can't decide if it's their job or their religion.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I wonder why the .ml stans seem so interested in defending current Russian interests, it's very perplexing, it's like they're watching Russian media or something

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 79 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There's a pretty good Behind the Bastards episode on Stahlin. Basically he was an ultra-paranoid drunk that forced his cabinet members to get drunk with him on a regular basis, which pretty much ruined any potential for effective government in the USSR.

Russia has a strong-man fetish which even the Bolsheviks couldn't overcome. For all the post-revolution ideology and communist rhetoric, they still just want a Tsar.

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[–] muzzle@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Stalin was explicitly taking inspiration from the Terror of the French revolution.

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