A Tux has been on my wishlist all year. updated
this post was submitted on 07 Nov 2025
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Aren't these just white labeled Chinese brands?
They are rebranded (and expensive) Clevos, but they are manufactured (or configured, or integrated - those all amount to the same thing) in Germany.
To be fair to them this applies to many, many other Laptop brands. Including pretty big ones like MSI.
Clevo, yes, thank you! My search shows they're Taiwanese. So they engineered in Taiwan and produced in Germany? Because that sounds backwards as hell!
Hardware development is just extremely difficult. The smallest company that I'm aware of that has their own laptop design is Framework, but their laptops are also about twice as expensive as equivalent models from other brands.
In addition, since basically all modern computer manufacturing has to go through Taiwan due to TSMC's near-monopoly on competitive semiconductors, it makes sense to outsource design to Taiwan too. They already have the industry for it, and there's no reason to have a random American company add their own profit margin to the price for no reason.
The smallest company that I’m aware of that has their own laptop design is Framework, but their laptops are also about twice as expensive as equivalent models from other brands.
Idk how big they are compared to Framework, but Starlabs makes their own laptops.
Cool, thanks! UK based, if anyone was wondering
Framework, but their laptops are also about twice as expensive as equivalent models from other brands.
Eh, I just ran some comparisons and Framework is only about $100 more than the cheapest equivalent in another brand with the same CPU/Memory. $200 more with Windows.
Not sure how you're arriving at that low of a difference unless the US pricing is wildly better than in the EU.
If I follow the most obvious user flow on the Framework website (except for removing components that aren't required) then I end up with a preorder for a Framework 16 with a Ryzen AI 7 350, 8 GB of RAM and no storage for 1,724 €. I can get the same CPU in a Gigabyte Aero X16 with the same CPU and 32GB RAM and storage and an RTX 5060 on top for 1,129 €. If I try to configure the Framework to be actually competitive with that model I end up at 2,384 €. It's not just the Ryzen AI model that's like this either, I did the same comparison with an older Ryzen CPU and it was in the same ballpark.
I'm sure the Framework is nicer in many aspects that don't show up on data sheets like chassis finish and build quality (and of course Linux support) but that's a lot of money.
From their website:
Computers, notebooks, PCs and laptops from TUXEDO Computers are not mass-produced or off-the-shelf. Each device is individually assembled, installed, configured and tested for you.
I could've sworn I saw something about this elsewhere recently. I wouldn't necessarily trust what they say on their site.
Some of them like to play stupid semantics games to make their product sound more legit than it is.
I wanted to buy a laptop years ago but was let down by their sales guys. Individually... is a joke. One company to avoid
I was thinking of getting my next desktop from them. Can you elaborate?
I'm pretty sure the individual componentens come from China... But good luck finding any electronic manufacturer that doesn't use Chinese components. Don't know what classifies as white labeled for you.
good luck finding any electronic manufacturer that doesn't use Chinese components.
I really don't understand why so many people are confused about Chinese brands vs. "Made in China".
"White labeled" means they take an existing product that's already being sold and do nothing but slap their branding on it and sell it in a different store.
They do develop Linux drivers for the laptops they sell, so they're not adding literally zero value. Though they also tried to prevent upstreaming with an incompatible (illegal) license so there's that...
Oh I mean I'm maining Pop OS Beta right now (it's awesome!) so I know the value they're giving there, if nowhere else. But I would rather just make a donation than buy a generic laptop...
We should call it Brand Slapping
I hope that we get modern AMD graphics in a laptop some day. I will never touch Nvidia again.
Who makes a laptop with a keypad????
A sane laptop manufacturer, that's who
Hello, yes I would like a massive chunk of peripheral used in terminal computing during the eighties, please
Hello, yes, I enter all my numbers via a vertical line and visual search to mock those who use a grid they just have to feel.
Keypads exist for a reason. Please do practice Chesterton's fence at least a little. We don't all use laptops the same way.
I just imagine walking up to an apartment building and having to enter a number code using a line of ten numbers 🤣
Hello? Is this the hotline for realizing that a keypad can be accessed without being its own dedicated set of keys for absolutely no reason except to give some post underground computer science aspirants a hipster moment for a computer relic of which even the last appropriate user has good reasons due to dementia
Are you a ragebot? Getting awfully worked up about a keypad.
I appreciate you fella, I am just a human provocateur and I could choose a much better hill to die on but the exchange was funny
Framework 16
big laptop requires big keyb
I would love if my laptop had a numpad lol. The only downside is if it crowds the keyboard to be smaller than my hands.
Me too. It's unfortunate that it always with no exception does exactly that