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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (10 children)

See.....when it comes to open source, it's a little different for me:

I don't support or condone any of these pricks, but I can mentally divorce, somewhat, the open source code contributions from the person, because their contributions are useful. If this was a closed source solution, it'd be different, because the code wouldn't be released into the community. There are a lot of weird, closet-dwelling shut ins that fall into the extremist margins.

A lot of early medical knowledge, for example, was acquired from.....less than morally clear ways. So do you just take that information and throw it away on principal? Does that make the death and pain of those people for nothing? Or do you use it and don't condone the person or their actions? This is a difficult moral choice to make that is heavily debated by philosophy, media, etc. There are entire SciFi TV episodes, movies, and books written about just such a debate.

That said, I don't know the usefulness of Hyprland. I've never used it and I feel like it's pretty niche, so I'm surprised Framework aren't telling this person to fuck off.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

To put it in terms of your analogy, it's one thing to use Mengele's research after he's been stopped. It's another entirely to give his research funding when he's actively running the program.

One is making use of knowledge that comes out of terrible things, the other is complicity that borders on collaboration.

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[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

I agree. Just as a little reminder. Methadone was initially invented by literal Nazis. It was designed to Combat Opium shortage in field hospitals.

Nobody would say: hey, let us not use this extremely helpful drug because Nazis contributed a lot to it.

On the other side: I would never give a Nazi company money to produce it. Two different scenarios

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 21 points 2 days ago

The issue with that is the toxic/racist/homophobic/transphobic people will by their behavior push out people who would otherwise contribute to development of projects. To have a big tent you can’t tacitly accept bigotry.

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 88 points 2 days ago (33 children)

That’s really too bad. Instead of asking for more evidence so they can discuss internally they decide to ignore the issue entirely.

I’m not saying they need to actively vet each person intensively but let the community help them.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Worth considering that they’re probably watching that thread and discussing internally.

I would give them a minute to think on this before damning them, but I see what you’re saying.

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[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

As a former long-time Ruby developer who also used Rails (Ruby since 2006, Rails came along for me later), I’ve always known DHH was a total douchebag.

It’s nice to know he’s being super obvious about it now. He’s always been awful. He’s just been slightly quieter about it, other than buying million-dollar cars and pretending he’s still relevant.

Edit to add that here’s a presentation talking about “The DHH problem” in 2014. The updates are darkly humorous.

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[–] rowdy@piefed.social 61 points 2 days ago (6 children)

That thread was a painful read. Framework laptop is off the wishlist.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't know who you're going to find that's better, all these big companies are inevitably supporting way more problematic individuals

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[–] Gino_Pilotino667@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

They should just support niri & cachy

[–] Hack3900@lemy.lol 34 points 2 days ago

I spent a lot of time recommending Framework, I got family to buy a laptop. Their hardware is fundamentally a political statement that I respuct. Seeing them use a "no politics" fallacy hurts

:/

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Hyperland sounds more like edgelords.

The DHH fellow is a full on Nazi-style racist.

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[–] astro_ray@piefed.social 49 points 2 days ago (4 children)

What? I am relatively new to knowing and talking with DHH, but I have not seen anything he has said that would lend credence to what you are saying here. Furthermore these are heavy accusations. I see zero shred of evidence on the internet or revolving around Omarchy. I haven’t see a single negative thing coming out of my discourse around Omarchy. The focus is software excellence, and it is awesome.

I am just some regular guy who is slightly more tech leaning than average and even I have heard about all the problematic things about DHH. Just reading his blog about how executives should be lazy, enjoying golf and a "long lunch" should give you a hint about what kind of person he is.

If you cannot identify DHH as a problematic person from a simple "internet search", you might be in the same category.

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[–] Aetherion@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Holy shit, this thread makes me throw up.

Guess we will go back to classic used hardware?

And if someone here has a comprehensive guide at hand to completely decouple from big tech to sustainable human tech I would be very pleased (if not no problem I'm still planning to create a good working guide myself).

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Used thinkpads are cheaper and reuse is one of the best ways to reduce ewaste by using something that was headed to the landfill. I've been happy with my t480s.

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