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[–] LaterRedditor@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do we all think loan forgiveness is the cure for student loans?

Not at all, but loan forgiveness wasn't mentioned in the comic. It's just putting a bandaid on a capitalized educational system that should not be for making money but rather a societal investment into our betterment. Id keep my loans I have left and vote for free education any day of the week if we had the option. (Of course I wouldn't say no to both) But I think some people were trying to use loan forgiveness to breach the doors of free education.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I'm somewhat torn on this:

Yes, I totally agree that federal loans should be forgiven even if someone pays theirs off.

Private loans though? Not so much. That's basically the same as a mortgage from a bank. Or a car loan even. That money ultimately ends up in the borrower's possession after the school balance is paid. That? I am not so willing to share the cost of.

[–] reptar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I, somewhat, feel you. My hang up is federal loans are often s pittance

Maybe my FAFSA has the wrong code(at this point, for my oldest). Maybe I should have lied about my assets? I haven't done my research, but it did not seem like my lack of home or non-beater factor in

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[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean I wouldn't want it to not exist but if I just nearly died of chemo + cancer I'd be a little mad if they found an EASIER way to cure cancer...

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

That would actually kind of be funny in retrospect. Like, if you survived it, and it was the most horrible, painful year of your life, and then the day the doctor gave you the all-clear, the FDA released a drug that takes care of it in seven days with minimum side effects.

Like any time anybody said anything to me, I would be whipping out my cancer photos and then using that to explain that the universe hates me, and so therefore I am absolved of all sin.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago

I am once again reminded: Humanity is fucking ugly. I'm starting to get nihilists.

[–] Sheldan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I don't feel like the comparison works, because we don't know a clear cure for cancer right now, but loan forgiveness is something we can technically do just fine (it's entirely human made after all)

I don't think you can feel unfairness about something not happening that, to our current knowledge, is not possible. You can feel a bit unfairness if something that might as well have helped you, won't be done for you... For no clear reason.

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Yeah I don't think this covers the situation as much as it's a nice feel good story.

Imagine for a second you are relatively poor, you go to a state school or community college in order to afford it. You have loans, but they are small.

Now imagine you're upper middle class, you go to a private or out of state school and take loans out for a much much larger amount than the other person, with the expectation that you're getting more value for your money (let's ignore the labyrinth there for a second -- this is something many people believe and believing it, for some, makes it true).

Now, both loans are forgiven

Youve succeeded in making the rich richer, giving them both the higher valued education and all of their money back.

Or imagine you're that poor student but you're smart: you got a grant or scholarship making your loans nonexistent, but only if you go to the state school.

Once again, forgiving loans makes the already wealthy person significantly more wealthy and does nothing to benefit the poorer person.

Yes, of course, there's a wide range of reasons a person might go down either route, and I'm absolutely certain there are many millions of people who have gotten loans way above their wealth in order to go to a better school and jump out of poverty (or whatever). This comic ignores the nuance.

In the cancer analogy, this would be a poor person dying or otherwise experiencing terrible health problems because they couldn't get the care they needed, then when a cure is developed, only administering it to the people who could afford care to begin with (ie american health care)

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If this is a one-time event it's hardly the solution to the problem. Education should be free or close to free in general.

If that's the case, things suddenly look different. Even only if e.g. state schools are free.

In my country the tuition fee for a state university is around €30 per semester, and that doesn't even go to the university but to fund the student governing body (not sure what's the right translation for the term).

This means, that everyone can get a quality education even if they are poor. In fact, most people I went to university with funded their flat/student accomodation and food with a part-time job while going to university. No debts or financial assistance needed.

This doesn't cover private universities, but (a) the difference in quality and reputation isn't relevant and (b) free public universities means that private universities are also somewhat price capped if they want to stay competitive.

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[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Read all the comments🧵. Nobody mentioned that higher education was free in the 🇺🇲 until a racist made it costly for colors to attend.

Changed the link, since folks had difficulty trickling to the sources.🥁

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you sure you linked the right bill? The bill in uour second link is about public carrying of firearms in California.

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I admit I kinda feel this way about Ozempic after having to fight for years to finally get into better shape.

[–] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Thing is once they stop the pounds come back unless they change their behavior. If all they do is take the shots, they're likely signing up for an expensive long-term roller-coaster of weight loss and gain and emotions.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

Behavioural change is the crucial part of getting in shape, Ozempic is helpful for those who already did change their behaviour but still can't lose weight. Your fight is never wasted, you're significantly more healthy and fitter than those solely rely on Ozempic and never do the work, and that should be worth it.

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