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[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Imagine complaining about phrasing and then not even finishing the sentence of the quote you're complaining about.

Let me be clear about this, if you oppose Bernie Sanders then you're promoting the genocide, the ethnic cleansing and death or mass exodus of Palestinians.

It Is Genocide

September 17, 2025

Hamas, a terrorist organization, began this war with its brutal attack on October 7, 2023, which killed 1,200 innocent people and took 250 hostages. Israel, as any other country, had a right to defend itself from Hamas.

But, over the last two years, Israel has not simply defended itself against Hamas. Instead, it has waged an all-out war against the entire Palestinian people. Many legal experts have now concluded that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. The International Association of Genocide Scholars concluded that “Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide.” The Israeli human rights groups B’Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights-Israel have reached the same conclusion, as have international groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

Just yesterday, an independent commission of experts appointed by the United Nations echoed this finding. These experts concluded that: “It is clear that there is an intent to destroy the Palestinians in Gaza through acts that meet the criteria set forth in the Genocide Convention.”

I agree.

Out of a population of 2.2 million Palestinians in Gaza, Israel has now killed some 65,000 people and wounded roughly 164,000. The full toll is likely much higher, with many thousands of bodies buried under the rubble. A leaked classified Israeli military database indicates that 83% of those killed have been civilians. More than 18,000 children have been killed, including 12,000 aged 12 or younger.

For almost two years, the extremist Netanyahu government has severely limited the amount of humanitarian aid allowed into Gaza and thrown up every possible hurdle to the United Nations and other aid groups trying to provide lifesaving supplies. This includes an 11-week total blockade in which Israel did not permit any food, water, fuel or medical supplies to enter Gaza. As a direct result of these Israeli policies, Gaza is now gripped by man-made famine, with hundreds of thousands of people facing starvation. More than 400 people, including 145 children, have already starved to death. Each day brings new deaths from hunger.

But it is not just the human cost. Israel has systematically destroyed Gaza’s physical infrastructure. Satellite imagery shows that the Israeli bombardment has destroyed 70% of all structures in Gaza. The UN estimates that 92% of housing units have been damaged or destroyed. At this very moment, Israel is demolishing what’s left of Gaza City. Most hospitals have been destroyed, and almost 1,600 health care workers have been killed. Almost 90% of water and sanitation facilities are now inoperable. Hundreds of schools have been bombed, as has every single one of Gaza’s 12 universities. There has been no electricity for 23 months.

And that is just what we know from aid workers and local journalists — hundreds of whom have been killed — as Israel bars outside media from Gaza. In fact, Israel has killed more journalists in Gaza than have been killed in any previous conflict. The result: there is likely much we don’t know about the scale of the atrocities.

Now, with the Trump administration’s full support, the extremist Netanyahu government is openly pursuing a policy of ethnic cleansing in Gaza and the West Bank. Having made life unlivable through bombing and starvation, they are pushing for “voluntary” migration of Palestinians to neighboring countries to make way for President Trump’s twisted vision of a “Riviera of the Middle East.”

Genocide is defined as actions taken with the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.” The actions include killing members of the group or “deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.” The legal question hinges on intent.

Israeli leaders have made their intent clear. Early in the conflict, the defense minister said, “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.” The finance minister vowed that “Gaza will be entirely destroyed.” Another minister declared: “All Gaza will be Jewish … we are wiping out this evil.” Israeli President Herzog said, “It is an entire nation out there that is responsible.” Another minister called for, “Erasing all of Gaza from the face of the earth.” Another Israeli lawmaker said, “the Gaza Strip should be flattened, and there should be one sentence for everyone there — death. We have to wipe the Gaza Strip off the map. There are no innocents there.” Yet another Knesset member called for “erasing all of Gaza from the face of the earth.” And, just recently, a minister in Israel’s high-level security cabinet said: “Gaza City itself should be exactly like Rafah, which we turned into a city of ruins.”

The intent is clear. The conclusion is inescapable: Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

I recognize that many people may disagree with this conclusion. The truth is, whether you call it genocide or ethnic cleansing or mass atrocities or war crimes, the path forward is clear. We, as Americans, must end our complicity in the slaughter of the Palestinian people. That is why I have worked with a number of my Senate colleagues to force votes on seven Joint Resolutions of Disapproval to stop offensive arms sales to Israel. The United States must not continue sending many billions of dollars and weapons to Netanyahu’s genocidal government.

Having named it a genocide, we must use every ounce of our leverage to demand an immediate ceasefire, a massive surge of humanitarian aid facilitated by the UN, and initial steps to provide Palestinians with a state of their own.

But this issue goes beyond Israel and Palestine.

Around the world, democracy is on the defensive. Hatred, racism and divisiveness are on the rise. The challenge we now face is to prevent the world from descending into barbarism, where horrific crimes against humanity can take place with impunity. We must say now and forever that, while wars may happen, there are certain basic standards that must be upheld. The starvation of children cannot be tolerated. The flattening of cities must not become the norm. Collective punishment is beyond the pale.

The very term genocide is a reminder of what can happen if we fail. That word emerged from the Holocaust — the murder of six million Jews — one of the darkest chapters in human history. Make no mistake. If there is no accountability for Netanyahu and his fellow war criminals, other demagogues will do the same. History demands that the world act with one voice to say: enough is enough. No more genocide.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It’s an absolute lie, and legal fabrication. As the occupier, Israel has no legal right to self-defense against Hamas.

International & domestic law do not make allowances for “defensive” bombs. It is illegal to arm a country credibly accused of genocide, period. Every sitting US senator & congressperson that’s voted to continue sending arms is guilty of multiple serious crimes.

Hamas did not commit a “brutal” attack on October 7th. The numbers of dead were greatly exaggerated, with the final count landing lower than 400, many of the dead being IDF soldiers (valid targets). The majority of the “civilians” killed were killed by tank fire and hellfire missiles. Hamas does not have tanks nor hellfire missiles. The IDF has admitted to enacting the Hannibal Directive, which is their plan to kill their own people rather than allow them to be captured. We cannot know the exact number who were killed by the IDF vs Hamas, because Israel refused to allow a third party investigation.

Bernie is still spreading hasbara bullshit, and he deserves to face trial with all of his colleagues for their part in this crime.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world -2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The Oct 7th attack specifically targeted the Nova Music Festival filled with unarmed civilians. All of the adult dead could be called former IDF because service is mandatory in Israel. Like Bernie I realize that the consequences of that event have been disproportionate to the tune of a thousand times in magnitude, but that doesn't mean either of us have to side with or condone the actions of Hamas, nor would that bring support for our cause of ending this war and recognizing Palestine.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The “civilians” partying next to a concentration camp? Again, the majority of them were killed by tank fire and hellfire missiles. Hamas does not have those weapons.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

An occupying country cannot claim self defense. The terrorist colonizing project of Israel is 100% to blame. If it weren't for Hamas Palestinians would have no one defending them.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can't blame Hamas for the genocide, and nobody is, but you also can't sit there and condone full scale military attacks on music festivals full of civillians.

Well, clearly you and Surph can, because you're a horrible person promoting genocide by shaming those who advocate against it as a form of anti-western psyop.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bernie is blaming Hamas for starting this genocide while still preaching the lie that Israel has a right to defend itself. Israel attacked the festival. Anyone claiming otherwise is defending Israeli actions.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Israel is responsible for the genocide, it says that. Hamas is responsible for the war, it says that. Both things are true.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Both things are not true. There would be no Hamas or need for Hamas if Israel wasn't occupying Palestinian land.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Okay so are you asserting the attack on the Nova Music Festival was justified and Israel should have done nothing at all in response? Is the solution you're proposing is the death or exodus of every Israelite? Fat fucking chance getting that outcome, pal.

In my opinion, Hamas are not the good guys, they started this war, and Israel is a horrible place filled with horrible people committing a genocide. I just don't see any positive outcomes from having any other opinion, I'm incapable of seeing any good come from your pointless inflammatory comments.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Then you can go fuck off

[–] HailSeitan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Missing the forest for the trees

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Not even the trees. He saw one shrub and couldn't be bothered to even check if there were trees.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

The forest is spreading hasbara bullshit