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[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Police arrested a suspect in the killing of the 17 year old girl in Amsterdam the other day and it is someone who was living in a refugee center. And now right wingers are flocking in en masse saying the most heinous shit, shifting the blame towards migration.

I vomit because of this. They don't care about women unless it fits their sick agenda. It is so tiring.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 hours ago

None of the media say what country he is from despite saying how old he is. Almost half the refugees in Netherlands are Ukrainian so it was probably a banderite they arrested and they are keeping a lid on it because they want everyone to get mad at POC for something a nazi did. Fucking disgusting.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Indeed, and these same right wingers are voting for the same right wing parties who were voting against a law against femicide. They don't care about women.

[–] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Their idea of keeping women "safe" involves chaining women to the stove.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Some theme park in The Netherlands does Halloween Nights in October and for this year's promotion they made a little movie about a girl in a box being sold to 'freaks' (their own monster figures) who keep bidding on her while she freaks out. In the end she disappears into a shredder and gets killed.

The Netherlands is currently in an ongoing femicide epidemic where every 8 days a woman gets killed. It's a hot topic for debate right now. Yesterday, a 17 year old girl was murdered while riding home after going out at night.

Needless to say it caused some trouble for the theme park.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I made a comment on their post saying how fucked up it is and I got replies from white men calling me a pussy and likes from women. Think that says enough.

All people arguing against it seems to be women. All in favor seem to be men. Society bottomtext.

[–] Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Sad and typical. A very common story.

[–] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Many such cases, unfortunately.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm just shocked to see again and again how men downplay violence against women and how little of them actually support people protesting against femicide for example

[–] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 day ago

When you're raised in a society that encourages men to view women as property, sex objects, baby makers, or something to mock it's fairly common for the average man to belittle and infantilize women. I'm never shocked by it anymore, just disappointed.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 days ago

So yesterday our local party leader got arrested at a protest. She spend 7.5 hours in captivity before they released her. The first thing she did when released was go back to the protest lmao. Chad move.

[–] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Welcome back! 🫡

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Our local chapter's leader has been released from captivity just now

[–] Rasm635u@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't recognize you. How long have you been an admin for?

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 days ago

I'm DankZedong but I lost my password lol so this is a new account

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago
[–] Magicicad@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago

Just saw a YouTube short (a mistake in itself) that compared Koreans being prosecuted for speaking Japanese immediately after the end of the occupation to the persecution of non English speakers in the US by ICE. Liberals never cease to amaze me.

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The ‘Winter War’ was famously a disaster for Soviet forces. […] The Finns […] faced an enemy whose war effort was so clumsy and disorganized, with inadequately clothed and armed troops forced to march in line abreast against fixed Finnish defences, that the failings encouraged confidence in German army circles that a future war with the Soviet Union was winnable. […] The Red Army losses have never been confirmed but are estimated at something between 230,000 and 270,000; Finnish losses amounted to some 24,923.¹⁹

[…]

Norwegian resistance was sustained and on 15 April was joined by a British–French–Polish force which landed in northern Norway in an attempt to seize the port of Narvik. Despite difficulties of supply and severe losses of naval shipping, German forces succeeded in consolidating their position in Norway and after the outbreak of the campaign in the West on 10 May, the Allies gradually withdrew from Scandinavia, one of many British retreats over the next 2 years.³³

(Source.)

Notice how this writer, Richard Overy, shifts his tone when talking about Soviet losses and then the Western Allies’. He overstates the importance of Soviet losses and setbacks, probably overestimates them (I suspect), and ultimately suggests that they are both supremely shameful and consequential. Now look at how he talks about the Western Allies’ losses: ‘no biggie. Next!’

Indeed, as far as I can tell, nobody seems particularly embarrassed about all of the liberal régimes’ risibly brief, piss-poor resistance to the Fascist invasions. Nobody attaches any special significance to the Luftwaffe’s bombing of the United Kingdom, or the fact that the Fascists seized one of its islands. And nobody would even dare joke about how maybe the liberal régimes’ weakness had something to do with their ideology. Do we get the same privileges when it comes to any of our imperfections…? I don’t think that I need to answer that question.

It is hard to take Richard Overy’s writing on Scandinavia seriously when he still writes like a stereotypical Cold Warrior, which only makes me reluctant to cite him and writers like him: they constantly bury truths under layers of nonsense.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Protest in my city because the city wants to cut down trees and make some weird unfavorable change to a tram line. Police just escalated things and arrested some of comrades. Fuckers.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Our local leader actually got arrested apparently

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not much is know right now be she is an elected official in the city government and I don't think I have to explain to anyone how bad of a look it is to arrest opposition politicians lol. What a move from the city.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 days ago

Green Party now saying they want to step out of the district's government if this continues which would pave the way for them to make one with us, locking out the neolibs that caused this. Mastermind move of them really, nobody of their party could predict that?

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm inclined to say, based on my experience with individualist rhetoric, that liberals are not so much "the moderate wing of fascism" as they are simply "fascism in denial" or "fascism with diplomatic characteristics." They spend a great deal of time and effort convincing themselves and each other that they are in favor of people getting to live the lives they want to live, which is the surface level diplomatic part, but underneath that is a very controlling rhetoric and framework that subtly steers people toward blaming themselves for everything that happens in their life. Whereas the "conservative" or "reactionary" (in the western sense is what I'm most familiar with, term may not be exact same meaning elsewhere) is very blatant and crude about telling people that the world owes them nothing and they that need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, the liberal finds this icky but nevertheless has internalized the actual beliefs behind it, so they preach pretty much the same thing, but with nicer language.

Instead of the conservative who says "it's your fault", the liberal says "it's your mindset." Instead of the conservative who says "you're owed nothing," the liberal says "we all have to work for what we want."

At first glance, it sounds more innocent, friendly, and possibly even empowering, but what they share is a disinterest in challenging the status quo and a strong belief that if you don't sync up the status quo, it is their duty to fix that. They will "encourage" you right up to the point that you actually want to get forceful about changing the world, at which point they fall back on their rhetoric of diplomacy and pacifism. They fear force and being seen as someone who is forceful, which they associate with immorality, but they nevertheless act in its name all the time.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Its self-crypto-fascism. I've been saying it for a while. "there is no such thing as a liberal" it is an non-ideology of political illiteracy. It is the political equivalent of flat-earth. You have to ignore all the evidence and self-contradictions in order to accept it as truth.

Liberals are ignorant fascists who believe everything fascists believe but have been convinced they are not fascist because they aren't personally involved in putting brown people in murder camps. Some liberals are ignorant comrades who have their heart in the right place but need to be lead to the water before they decide to drink and subsequently vomit out all the poisonous fascist ideas they have ingested all their lives.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's an interesting way to put it, "self-crypto-fascism." I'm inclined to agree that there isn't really a coherent ideology in liberalism. Much of the platitudes of it seem to be based in magical thinking, when they aren't simply saying what the fascist says but putting it more nicely. Like the fascist is convinced that some people really are subhuman and deserve to be treated that way, but the liberal has convinced themself that calling the marginalized person a thing like "problematic" instead of subhuman is somehow escaping having the same views.

In essence, I think a lot of the delusion hides behind a belief that saying something in a nice way is the same as having a nice view. But it's not and as much as I like diplomatic practice myself, I would say authentic diplomacy comes from a place of real respect for the other person/entity. And said respect doesn't even have to mean liking them, it's more about understanding what their struggles are and holding space for that. The problem for liberals in this regard being that they often don't actually respect the person they're speaking to or about. Their elitist beliefs get in the way of that. So they can say the lines like "I hear you", but actually hearing the person, allowing it to get past what they believe, is difficult.

I'm tired and thinking it through as I type this out, but something like that.

[–] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 21 hours ago

i would like to do my own analysis when it's not late as fuck, but how do socdems tie into this? tentatively, i want to say the ones who aren't future comrades are mostly downwardly mobile young men whose aspirations are to get themselves a bigger slice of the imperial pie

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago

I really loved this quote from José Martí in his essay "The Three heroes":

“Men cannot be more perfect than the sun. The sun burns with the same light with which it shines. The sun has spots. The grateful see the light. The ungrateful see the spots.”

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Somebody asked my about my Christmas plans and man how are we already almost 9 months into the year

[–] lelkins@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

unless i get fired i will never taste christmas or any holiday ever again because i will still have to work those times >:(

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 days ago

I feel that, I don't know where the time went.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What do you think of learning Hebrew to understand the Zionists better?

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 17 hours ago

I doubt you can be fluent before the zionist project is dismantled.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 days ago

seems like a waste of time to me unless you're of jewish heritage or live in the region, there is no reason to learn hebrew. also the political zionism foundational works were written in german.

[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago

I'm in a terrible spot politically where I don't really have anyone I support because my beliefs are all over the place now.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 5 days ago

honestly, fuck doctors lol. maybe is just recency bias but we've had a terrible run of doctors here, they literally do not care about people and only care about money.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 5 days ago

This made me laugh

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 5 days ago

From a recent protest in support of Palestine

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 5 days ago
[–] sunbleachedfly@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] sunbleachedfly@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 days ago

We're both based pyro ❤️

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Already seeing more and more social media comments going like 'this is AI!!!' on nearly every vid I come across. Whether it's a cat video or a car or whatever. Most of the time it's not even AI. I feel like if there are no rules implemented things will get out of hand.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 days ago

Personally I kinda like the possible future where AI ruins mainstream social media. We'll end up with networks that are all based on IRL referral from person to person. We'll make crazy shibboleths IRL and use them on the networks to verify that user accounts haven't been taken over by bots.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 5 days ago

One week to go until my holiday and I will fuck off for a couple of weeks. Can't wait.

It's quiet with the party work. But that has been a trend for a while. It's just 'make new members!' without any actual actions set up by us. Hell, anarchists seem to be getting more out on the field than we do these days. Seriously contemplating just joining another org that is active outside of doing pyramid scheme shit.

My gf really liked the Kneecap movie and it seems to have improved her radicalisation. Especially when it comes to anticolonialism. Which is funny because I wanted to go in the first place and she was like 'whatever, I'll come with you I guess'

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 days ago

Sometimes I get reminded of the scale of things and realise that whatever I'm doing on this small piece of land doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Like, the city of Beijing would cover half my country while having twice its population.

Sometimes it's a comforting thought actually.

[–] Oppo@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 5 days ago (13 children)

I hope you all have a nice week :D

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