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Collective Shout, a small but vocal lobby group, has long called for a mandatory internet filter that would prevent access to adult content for everyone in Australia. Its director, Melinda Tankard Reist, was recently appointed to the stakeholder advisory board for the government’s age assurance technology trial before the under-16s social media ban comes into effect in Australia in December.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 248 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Keep the pressure on.

Collective Shout got them to change their position and they're a small group. We are legion, as the kids say

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 114 points 1 week ago (7 children)

And we're the ones spending the money

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 26 points 1 week ago

That's really what I don't get. Why make it impossible for people to give you money. That doesn't seem to be the way capitalism is supposed to operate if something is popular then you should allow it.

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[–] floo@retrolemmy.com 198 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Maybe it’s just because I’m so focused on my own issues as a US citizen… But how the hell did some Australian Christofascist group get this powerful? Like, the RIAA and MPAA combined couldn’t get the United States government to make this much movement on “objectionable content” (piracy at the time, and also now, and all of the time between then and now), but even the crypto fascists of yesterday year couldn’t get this much traction. Probably because people like Frank Zappa and Fred Rogers came forth to criticize the ridiculousness and the consequences of such a position and search policies.

May 1, 1969: Fred Rogers testifies before the Senate Subcommittee on Communications

And 16 years later:

Frank Zappa at PMRC Senate Hearing on Rock Lyrics

STAND UP!!! FIGHT BACK!! Citizen complacency is the most powerful weapon the fascist have – – relying on that you will be paralyzed with fear and do nothing to stop them.

RISE UP! RESIST! REVOLT!!

And show us the fucking Epstein files already, you fucking rapist, con man, felon, pedo, traitor!

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 75 points 1 week ago (4 children)

They got together enough people to mass email, that is all it took.

Companies tend to multiply received responses to represent the total number of people who were to lazy to complain, so Visa and MasterCard saw 1,000 emails as 10,000,000 in their risk averse actions.

Now 4chan is pissed and have started their own mass email and phonecall campaign, so we shall see where this goes...

[–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I assume they own their own domain.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Visa also have a fairly well documented history of kowtowing to Christian groups. The CEO of their Asian division is a right-wing religious fanatic who hates, well he's a religious fanatic so you know what he hates, but it's basically everything and everybody.

They don't like Japanese anime very much as well, probably because they think it's all pornography (anime does tend to have that bent, but it's not all pornography).

The thing is on their website they claim not to make moral judgements about purchasers, they claim to authorise anything that isn't actually illegal, so they should be totally fine with pornography and anime. If they are going to be right-wing religious fundamentalists at least they could be honest about it on their website.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Sounds like we're fighting back with the same technique! Good enough for me!

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 41 points 1 week ago

Probably because they didnt go throught the government, which takes a long time to move on anything, and just put pressure on some profit seeking corporations that just want to get a bother to go away, but which also unfortunately have been put in a position of practical power equal to some types of legislation.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 week ago

But how the hell did some Australian Christofascist group get this powerful?

It's Australia, we only laugh when China does it, otherwise it must be good if we're doing it.

Want to have backdoors to chat apps, done, allow the siezure and forced unlocking of computers and phones at the border, done. Inter refigees in our own offshore concentrarion camps for decades until they suicide and make it illegal to report on, done. Regularly kill our first nations peoples amd have the jailed ? Done. We're a fucken' embarrassment!

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 154 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What's even the argument here? Steam already has parental control options, age gates, and content filters... if you don't want your kids seeing that shit on steam, then, like, don't let em?

...meanwhile, let's just continue shoving blatant gambling down minors' throats in the form of lootboxes.

[–] Lebensmittel@sh.itjust.works 95 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The argument is control. Religious zealots are all about controlling society and subduing people to follow their rules (that they themselves tend to break all the time)

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That's their goal for sure, what I mean is how are they pretending to justify it?

There's usually some on-paper benevolent veneer to wrap their hateful bullshit up with.

For example, they hate trans people, but they don't campaign on that out loud - they justify that hated under the guise of shit like protecting bathrooms.

But this is fucking Steam - access to that bathroom is already under lock and key behind an armed guard. They can't just pull the "think of the children!" card when the children already have a myriad of protections.

...or maybe they can, considering what just happened. We live in stupid times.

[–] Lebensmittel@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They precisely can and they kinda just did. "Think of the children" is the magic phrase to shut down critical thinking and give you carte blanche to do whatever you want.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 71 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This group isn't interested in protecting children they're just interested in pushing their own beliefs on everybody else. The easiest way they can do that is to pretend that they're interested in children. Which I'm sure some of them are, but not in the capacity that anyone wants them to be.

It's a classic right-wing tactic. Because nobody wants to be against a law that protects children.

[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)
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[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 136 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Feels like we're going back to the 90s/00s "Christian parents against video games" moral panic era. But this time, they're being appeased more heavily.

I despise conservatism. It destroys everything it touches.

[–] TheTurner@lemmy.zip 38 points 1 week ago

It's another Satanic Panic.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And there's way fewer Christians nowadays

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 23 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 132 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

While Collective Shout solely targeted games it said violated policies held by payment platforms, Itch.io's move to temporarily remove all NSFW content resulted in games with LGBTQ+ themes being removed.

One petition signer who is a member of the LGBTQ+ community said they were concerned that banning sexual-based games would be the start of cracking down on LGBTQ+ content.

There it is.

[–] Eximius@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (12 children)

if the LGBTQ+ games were not sexual in nature (why does it not say?), then that is quite damning and I approve of this conspiracy theory.

[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you google Tankard-Reist you'll find it's not a conspiracy theory - she has actively tried to block queer representation at every level in every way for decades

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[–] chaonaut@lemmy.4d2.org 39 points 1 week ago

It's not all that much of a conspiracy theory as those pushing this line at the payment processoers openly advocate that since LGBTQ+ references sex by way of sexuality and gender, then that is sexual content, and is therefore inappropriate for children. This, of course, completely ignores heterosexuality and cisgender because they consider queer people existing to be harmful to children. And trying to get through to them about how important age-appropriate sexual education is in combating child abuse is an exercise in frustration.

politicians have literally said that the reason for censorship bills about the internet are specifically to go after lgbtq spaces.

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[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.world 121 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So sick of conservatives forcing their beliefs on others. Filter your own content, use parents controls, don’t ban everything you don’t like because of your arrogant belief in made up morality. Morality is relative and religion does not give your opinions weight.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Yeah but Jesus definitely preached love thy neighbor, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and also, ew gay people not in my back yard.

I'm pretty confident on two of those anyway

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 115 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Somebody should check their PCs and internet history; after all, name a better duo than Conservatives and Projection.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’d bet real money that the CEO of Collective Shout has CSAM on one or more of their computers.

[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I would put ten dollars on it.

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[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"[Elon Musk] said he wanted to get his own X payments platform «going soon»".

Surely that's going to solve the problem. There's absolutely no censorship on Twitter. /s

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh it'll be interesting to see how he manages to make a worse payment processor than PayPal. I wouldn't have thought it was possible.

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[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 59 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The Mastercard/Visa monopoly (or duopoly) is bad for consumers. It should be broken up.

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[–] EvilEdgelord@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 week ago

Fuck Collective Shout, or anyone spreading censorship!

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“The internet has no borders. Women and girls everywhere are impacted by male violence against women and misogyny in general which we believed these games perpetuated,” she said.

Yet the fictional violence against men and boys is A-Ok!

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As long as it is legal CC companies should be barred from dictating what products and services their systems cover.

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[–] Grizzlyboy@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 week ago (5 children)

When is the European alternative to these coming?

[–] Ibuthyr@feddit.org 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

An alternative to PayPal, called WERO is currently in it's rollout process in Germany, Belgium and France. In October the next step will be activated, allowing payments in e-commerce. Later down the road, you'll be able to pay in real shops. Luxembourg and Netherlands are to join in next. More and more banks start to adopt WERO.

I urge everyone to use WERO as much as you can. It's flying a bit under the radar at the moment and this must be a success. Hopefully more EU members will join soon.

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Tired of this story. The fucking prudes need to give up and stop already. Shit

[–] xep@fedia.io 22 points 1 week ago (13 children)

What are the alternatives to Visa/Mastercard?

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Discover, American Express, Diner’s Club, and the one that still rules them all, Cash. There are probably others, but Visa and Mastercard are the two largest.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’d love to boycott them, but literally everything I do uses one of those 2.

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