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ChatGPT advises women to ask for lower salaries, study finds (thenextweb.com)

submitted 10 months ago by chobeat@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.ml

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[–] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

women who ask chatgtp for financial advice should make less money.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You mean *people. Even though I might not agree. ChatGPT is better at financial advice than alot of people. Just dont ask it how to become rich. Because you cant.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What if I kill a rich and wear its skin like a suit ?
How do I get its family to accept me as their ruler ?

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Keep paying for their expenses. It's why they like you to begin with.

[–] tfowinder@beehaw.org 12 points 10 months ago

LLM just mirror real world data they are trained on,

Other than censorship i don't think there is a way to make it stop. It doesn't understand moral good or bad it just spits out what it was trained on.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Now I really wanna know if that's actually the best advice or sexism. Because I could see that our society might be so bad that this is genuinely good advice.

[+] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's not the question.

It wasn't about whether the LLM was well reasoned, it was about whether the conclusion was (pragmatically speaking) correct.

[–] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Again, that wasn't the original question.

The question was about whether women are genuinely more likely to be passed over for a job offer if they ask for as much pay as a man would ask for, or if (as you described), or both. A broken clock is right twice a day, and it's missing the point of the question if you go and explain why you can't rely on said broken clock.

Are hiring managers actually less likely to hire women if they ask for market-rate pay, as opposed to men when they do the same?

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I can't believe we should ever say this. No, the chat machine is the problem.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The chat machine is just a tool. The problem is that a pay disparity exists in society, and that they did not account for this bias in the training data.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That disparity gets very narrow when you account for men and women with similar roles, education, time in career and industry.

Much of that pay disparity is from the jobs we pick. There are also social pressure where a man's value is determined by how much he makes. Guys are more willing to do dangerous or demanding jobs that pay more.

The AI is still just reflecting the bias

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, they shouldn't go for those garbage non-paying worthless jobs like nursing and teacher, instead work in finance and take big bets arbitraging out millions from whole economies.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Point is that a male nurse of equivalent education and experience is still paid similarly.

Aggressive jobs that involve competitive industries and high stress like wallstreet which demand a very shit work life balance are not favored by a lot of women I believe. Work/Life balance is something a lot of women have pressure to maintain over men. Like I said though men have more pressure to earn a higher wage. Testosterone is something that just makes men want to compete including earning a higher wage.

[–] upsiforgot@programming.dev 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Well...you might want to inform yourself about what a nursing job requires (here's some of the information you might find: high stress yes, working in shifts that are compromising work/life balance yes, work that requires a lot of lifting heavy things- yes...people who believe your sentiments are the problem - yes)

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I'm super familiar with nursing. They are paid extremely well and have great benefits. And I would argue they are still not paid enough.

A better example is PSW workers. They are paid not enough and don't have great benefits and have incredibly hard jobs.

But we're talking about population level stuff here. You need to aggregate the jobs women work not just cherry pick a few. Many of the jobs are not nursing. Likewise there are many jobs men do that are demanding and don't pay well.

[–] match@pawb.social 3 points 10 months ago

the society is also the problem

[–] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

And the study should also mention, that the LLMs don't do anything by themselves, they do what they are trained to do... noting more. They are just machines.