considers altering entire network stack to trick a Switch 2 into thinking it never leaves EU soil
"Nah, I'll probably just not buy one. Fuck em."
this post was submitted on 21 Jul 2025
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prevent access to online services...that's all they should be allowed to do. I don't think I'd be able hold back on any company that decided what I do with MY hardware.
Online services includes firmware updates, and many new first party games require the newest firmware as of release to be installed
Those do typically come with the firmware update bundled in the cart.
Ironically this is a security measure because it also closes security loopholes and jailbreaking exploits.
Of course for that you need a cartridge that actually has something in it or whatever, but that's the idea. You're more likely to have a firmware update in a physical game than the full playable game.
Don't they include the firmware updates on the game carts now?
You mean the game carts that only include the key to download the game?
No, I thought some game carts actually had system updates included on the cart that would install if your system was offline, for example. Looks like this is only for ps4/ps5 actually, though.
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That is what they do. It's an online ban, you can still use a banned console offline.
Untrue, full console disabling is possible rendering it unusable for any content online or offline
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Common European W
I secretly hope they screw up and brick all the switch 2 devices by uploading a bad update, and are forced to send replacement units, potentially crippling finances of their company.
Doubt it'll happen, and I'd feel bad for people and kids just wanting to enjoy some Mario and stuff on their weekends (which makes me sorta hope it doesn't happen at the same time), but... Nintendo needs to be hit very hard for their constant BS.
Or some “bad actor” will figure out a way to upload and push the bricking update. Forcing probably a recall and/or a costly class action. Maybe that will make them think about putting a kill switch on there in the first place.
In 2008, someone did the math. Just from 2 years of Wii sales, just the hardware, not the games, Nintendo could stay afloat for 163 years based on the ecconomy at the time.
So, lets adjust for inflation that we know it is today, and call it 110 years.
I don't think it's been 110 years since 2006. I could be wrong though. Covid screwed up everybodies internal clock.
Because in the US, you guys aren't really consumers (which would give you a status), you're merely walking and vaguely sentient (hopefully enough to click on "add to cart") wallets that the corporations pluck money from at every opportunity. This is your legally enforced reality.
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Lol, why even buy such a piece of shit then? Even when in the EU, the fact they do this is enough.
Because Banana!
But no, seriously, you can rage all you want about brands and corporations, but in cultural industries content is always king.
That's why you need regulation. You can't expect people to not play or watch cool stuff just because you're aware of and latched onto some particular moral, ethical or economical transgression. It's res publica to prevent the misbehavior so people don't have to have a stance on the extent of licensing for software/hardware combo services whenever their kid wants the cute gorilla game.
And yes, I do own a Switch 2.
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Seriously! Just buy a used 3DS and hack it to run every game, emulator, etc. You can actually play DOS games and ScummVM games on it!
You can't play Donkey Kong Bananza
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Because I have no intention of playing pirated games so I'm at no risk? Also I'm in the EU so I'd be fine regardless?
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Nah, they can, but likely won't risk it w/European owners’ “rights.”
Change the headline a little bit.
"litigation" is not really how we usually talk about consumer's rights in Europe though. As the article clearly states:
the legal framework in Europe is much more protective of users. The corresponding laws understand that disabling a device for unauthorized access to software is an excessive and illegal measure.
It's the same with my American friends who does not understand that we have house loans, not mortgage. They still call it mortgage, but that's a completely different setup altogether!
Interesting, I've never heard about that.. What is the difference?
Edited, and quoted, because I can see European states arbitrarily litigate rights.
That's ... not how it works. If they did brick the consoles Europeans own they'd likely be breaking EU wide laws, which at the end would end up with the highest court in Europe - the EUCJ.
There's nothing arbitrarily about this. Our consumer protection laws are quite strong.
I believe Nintendo has been rewarded enough lobbying budget by folks who keep buying their 🚮
It’s less about rights and more about "consumer protection"
It's gonna be a shame if H4ckerM4n2015 may brick you Switch after loosing a game of Mario Kart.
Vulnerability for me, not for thee, right?
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Hmm... How to use Switch 2 from behind a VPN so they think I am in Europe?
Gonna go ahead and guess; buy it in EU, turn on your vpn, connect, setup, register. Keep your vpn turned on perpetually. Maybe you'll be required to have a european bank issued card when you make purchases as well.
Or just get a steam deck, or another device you can install your own software on. This for me is a reason I never would get an iPhone. Although I don't have a ton of apps from outside the playstore I do want the option. Maybe my next phone will just be a Linux phone.
Cant you sideload on iPhone now after EU regulations? Or is it only 3rd party app stores?
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Wouldnt you need a european account as well?
I believe to have heard about regional accounts being a thing.
Some routers will let you configure a VPN onto a VLAN or SSID. Set that up and configure your Switch to use it and you're golden.
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