politics

Are they trying to avoid JP Mandel becoming president?

I'm sorry I know this impeachment is important to all your emotional needs after feeling bullied and all, but it would be extremely helpful to Trump.

Bear with me please. Here's how impeachment actually works:

1. Trump does something terrible that is extremely unpopular.
2. Outrage forces Democrats to impeach him.
3. Because impeachment requires a 2/3 majority, which is literally unobtainable for Democrats even after the midterms, there's absolutely no chance whatsoever he gets convicted, so he wins at the Senate.
4. Trump declares victory, says the whole thing was a hoax.
5. (This is the key) Low information voters regard the issue as now settled in Trump's favor.
6. No one talks about the illegal war, leading the Jan 6 riot, or trying to corruptly shake down Zelensky again, because these are all now worthless as attacks against Trump.

See the last two impeachments. There's no way this works well. American democracy sucks, but realize it's a game. You can't win at poker by playing every hand, no matter how much you deserve to win. Impeachment is a 2-7 off suit. Fold it on sight.

I'm sure to get dumped on for saying this but ya'll need to chill out. President's generally have authority to carry out military strikes. I can't think of one in my lifetime that didn't bomb somebody without congressional approval beforehand. Declaring war is a different matter but all the differences and nuances and where exactly the lines are, is not something courts have ever really figured out.

This impeachment resolution specifically said he declared war and he should be impeached because it's Congress' job to declare war. That's the entirety of the complaint. It's short. And it's lazy. He didn't declare war. He certainly risked starting a war, but he didn't declare one. Democrats would have looked stupid for impeaching him for something he didn't actually do and it would have failed just on the language alone. It did fail. And it should have.

All this 'democrats are traitors' or 'they're supporting fascism' or 'stabbing us in the back' is crazy. They put forth a really bad impeachment resolution and it got shot down. You should be mad at AOC and Green for putting up a horrible impeachment resolution. It probably looked better last week when it looked like a real war might happen, but I don't see anything impeachable here. If there is something, it's deep and nuanced, it's something that no one has ever agreed on the interpretation of, it's something that Congress has let Presidents get away with for decades.

We're not getting rid of this asshole by persuading the public that he disobeyed some highly nuanced technicality that nobody even agrees on. Shit, I'm getting sleepy just thinking about listening to a congressional hearing on it.

It's funny. When the impeachment attempt was announced, it was roundly condemned by Very Serious Leftists as useless and, in fact, targeting Trump for something that was not actually illegal, and thus more proof of Dem complicity by engaging in 'pointless' symbolic action instead of 'real' interference.

And now that most Dem reps seem to agree with this position, many of those same Very Serious Leftists regard not supporting the impeachment attempt also as proof of Dem complicity.

I imagine there are significantly more complex concerns the representatives are navigating than the reductive assessments being presented here.

For example, the voter base has clearly demonstrated they are morons and SOME of the reps may reside in more moderate districts with split ticket voting. If they know it is a mathematical impossibility why would they waste political capital and open themselves up for midterm attack ads.

While you and I, or anyone with more intellectual capacity than a goldfish realize the danger of Trump, they may also want to ensure when they support impeachment, they do it for an issue that has more broad support of public opinion.

I often see reductive assessments of political behavior that lack any attempt to consider measured approaches within a given context, even historically. Hindsight is 20/20 and there are often many moving parts aside from what you or I feel is the correct thing to do.

I'm gonna disagree here. The impeachment resolution was a dumb idea, and should not have been introduced. It was never going to be successful. The more impeachment resolutions are introduced and fail, either in the house or Senate, the less likely they are to ever succeed. It looks more like boring partisan messaging, and less like an extraordinary situation. Introducing this resolution makes it less likely that Trump will be removed from office, not more.

I'm not going to take a position on whether it was a good idea to vote against it, that's more debatable, but as a message to their fellow Democrats they are right that the resolution was a terrible idea.

Realizing id pay a monthly fee for a reddit like app that filters out politics and news in general I want to be ignorant and live and die for entertainment, what religion would this be