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I think progressives never thought about this because we banked on immigration and demographic change allowing us to win culturally and electorally but the issue is immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly male, that is how Trump won actually he won over a lot of Hispanic,Black,Asian and indigenous men who feel humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.

So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?

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[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Young men are not some new phenomenon. Their desire, in a word, is agency.

As the world has grown more interconnected, the world has become more visible. This has created a crippling awareness of their place in the grand scheme. Nietzsche's void has opened beneath them and, in the ignorance expected of youth, they grasp at what is presented to them. Selling hope to the desperate, even false hope, is lucrative, so there is no shortage of hucksters and charlatans offering it to them.

The ultimate problem is that there is no pleasant truth. When faced with the existential horror of being, the truth doesn't help. You cannot focus on learning to be a better version of yourself when facing raw terror. A comforting lie will get you to tomorrow. Truth will send you to the long, dark night.

So, when offered a pretense of agency, in almost any form, they take it. Some pretend that the problem is simply women. Some say it's other 'races.' Some say it's this or that ideology, whether economic, social, sexual, psychological, or anything else. They all just want to feel like they can make a difference, just like everyone else.

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[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I honestly don't think progressive politics is the problem. When it comes to the US. The only other party is the democrats and at best they are center at best but really they are just Republicans from 20 years ago. From a fiscal sense.

Both times they sold the American people to pick them just because the other side is worse. The problem is most people don't want to pick the lesser of two evils. They want to pick something that will change their lives for the better.

The problem is when Democrats don't really have a platform or communicate that platform effectively. But the other guy is saying he will fix the problems in people's lives even if they are lies. Most low information voters will roll the dice on the chance he is not lying. Because the other side has brought nothing to the table at all.

The logic i have seen with a man like that broke my heart was this. He said i care about the plate of Trans folks and other minorities but like on an airplane you have to put on your own mask on first before you help others. So when you are out of work or can't afford to live. The culture wars feels like less a priority for those type of people.

When looking with that lense it makes sense how people voted. People with higher education and income voted Dem becase they wanted to help others.

People with lower income voted Republican out of desperation and was easy for Republicans to sell the snake oil of. If we hurt these small group of people. All your problems will be solved. Then those same people are hurt more when they find out it was all a lie.

Read up on history and how Germany was after World War I. It's like having a crystal ball of what's going to happen next.

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's not a rhetorical problem. It's a propaganda problem. People aren't being reasoned into right wing politics. It's being beaten into their heads day and night by talk radio, cable news, local news, and YouTube; and this has been going on very deliberately for decades. The right wing powers-that-be have been busily, patiently, creating a massive, pervasive propaganda machine for a long time while the left sat on their hands. We're now seeing the results: a world where the right can do and say literally anything they want without consequence. Their base is very literally brainwashed through brute force repeated messaging that nobody can compete with.

We needed the Democrats to do something about this propaganda machine before it became unstoppable. They already didn't do that.

The best thing any of us can do is try to steer kids away from the propaganda before they get sucked in.

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[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe like, one day you are gonna need the social safety net, even if you're a very strong cis het guy.

One you're gonna be old. One day you're gonna be fired without notice when your car breaks down. One day your girlfriend might have a surprise pregnancy you can't deal with.

Just brainstorming but I would start with saying, sure this doesn't benefit you right now, cause you got the luck of the draw, but one day we will all need help

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The first thing is that progressives need to stop being intellectually dishonest. The movement needs to admit that the world view is a technocratic one in which the best course of action given the evidence available is the one that will guide the decisions of the movement, not popular sentiment.

As of right now the progressive agenda looks like a mass of contradictions whose only identity is opposition to MAGA and the right with such intensity that the right has in fact co-opted many of the stances that traditionally belonged on the left, losing the support of the working class.

Seen through a Marxist lens, it is not surprising, the progressive movement in the US is not a worker’s movement but rather a managerial class movement.

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[–] leftist_lawyer@lemmy.today 8 points 2 weeks ago

Pride in intellectual achievement would be a good start.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Better marketing.

Drop policies that have been consistent long-term losers like expanded gun control.

Force through policies that improve their lives at the cost of others, for example, healthcare paid for by taxing billionaires

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[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Christ - some of these replies are exactly what a lot of women talk about when we say that Lemmy has a misogyny problem.

Blokes really don't recognize how much harder shit actually is for women, overall. It would be lovely to just sit on a bench for 5 mins without a stranger coming to chat me up, or if people would stop crediting men for my work when they don't even ask for it.

"How do we get young men into progressive politics?"

I know! I know! Make every conversation including this one about women!

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[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"Real men take care of their neighbors and vulnerable people, not just themselves and their family"? Honestly I have no fucking idea lol. Not sure that sounds catchy enough though in comparison to the incel bullshit that youtube clowns are feeding young boys these days.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Sell it to women first and let them broadcast that they wont date any regressives.

Im assuming the regressives are mostly young cishet men

[–] IloveyouMF@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

the issue with that is with less women dating period since less women want to settle. Would that work ?

There just isn't a gaurentee or even a good enough chance that being a progressive or supporting progressive politics will get you a girlfriend or wife so would this kind of incentive system work ?

If you want the carrot and stick to work you have to give the carrot.

Telling women to just date random progressive guys for the cause even ignoring the fact it's not ery ethical. I just don't think you could convince enough women to do it for it to work

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