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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

You have entire corporations, nation-wide that are backed by religious nuts and racists, entire state-sized organizations of assholes paid from the bottom-up, and unless science and education has the same backing, we will lose.

When's the last time a rock band was labeled a "science band", but you can name four or five christian bands without even listening to them?

There are entire record companies and publishing houses that do nothing but spread more of it, interest groups in the billions of dollars that circulate faith and blindness. Even philanthropy, and a yelling preacher on every corner, sometimes across the street from one another, hospitals, nonprofits, foundations, you name it.

Christianity and Judaism is so overblown in support, we shouldn't expect anything less than absolute ignorance. Look what's pushing it.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Science shouldn't be compared to religion. On one hand because the doctrine of non-overlapping magesteria which all religions should follow (it can be summed up as anything Science has a say in, religion shouldn't). But also like science shouldn't bother competing here. When science is treated as religion, it's often abused similarly. Its a method for understanding the world.

The fact that pv=nRT is provable and if I go and get rudimentary equipment to do this I can double check without any scientists present. Sure there are stories associated with science, but unlike in religion they aren't the stuff its made of. Science doesn't ask for praise or belief, it asks for skepticism, curiosity, and precision.

Edit: wait, does Muse's album "the second law" count as science rock? It slapped and was about thermodynamics to a certain degree

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When's the last time a rock band was labeled a "science band", but you can name four or five christian bands without even listening to them?

I feel like a pedant, but I'm sorry, the notion that most Americans can name five Christan bands/artists is bullshit. Maybe most Bible Belters can. Christian music gets the designation of "Christian music" because it is segregated away from everything else, listened to by a large, but still niche demographic who are already very religious, and treated as a joke by everyone else (including most non-Evangelical Christians.)

I can name two, Skillet and Red Jumpsuit Apparatus. The former is just the band I see mentioned to make jokes about Christian music, and the latter I saw on a show about one hit wonders (the hit is about domestic violence and doesn't even have faith based undertones.) If I start making exceptions like "became Christian after the height of their fame" (Kansas and Kanye West) or "stopped being Christian before they became known" (Katy Perry) I can get to five.

And on that note, what would a "science band" be? Like, a band that writes lyrics about new scientific discoveries? Yeah that'd have more in common with Nick Jr. than most music, secular or not. Most music deals with emotions in a way Christian music can but "science music" couldn't. The closest would be philosophy, but there's already a ton of music drawing on philosophy, and nobody segregates it from normal music because it's not music that only appeals to a specific demographic.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

....not Creed tho?

Science music... Rush, maybe.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Didn't know Creed was Christian (and it seems at least debatable whether they fit the label of "Christian music.") So that hurts my point I guess.

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[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is an oxymoron. Technically it's the 6th graders who read like adults, since specifying 54% of adults causes them to be the standard here.

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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I dare not find out what my reading level is, for the same reason I dare not find out what my IQ is. I don't gain anything by knowing it, and knowing that I'm stupid will only worsen my self-esteem issues.

I feel better assuming I'm roughly average for both measurements.

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[–] Necroscope0@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Damn this is pathetic. I had a 6th grade reading level in kindergarten.

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[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (3 children)

87.4% graduate high school, then people stop being forced to read books and those who never liked reading get out of practice

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I genuinely do not understand why people do not like reading. Im not a super nerd and only read a few books a year but I look at the hours i spent reading those books as some of the best entertainment i've had all year.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

It's a time commitment I'd rather fill with masturbation and videogames.

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm curious what you think graduating high school has to do with being able to read.

It's the cut off point where folks generally stop being forced to read things more complex than IDK a Wendy's menu.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago

That's good news! ... it means they're improving! USA! USA! USA!

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago

Easy, just take the elevator to the 7th floor/grade/level whatever you call it in Europe.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Question what is considered 6th grade.

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Hot take but I think this article is hyperbole. Think about it. Half of adults are underachievers. That tracks with most metrics. Your average person is not smart. Intelligence follows a bell curve and it only makes sense that the bottom half is going to be terrible.

Edit: ok just realized this is the meme sub lol.

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