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Crashing the stock market doesn't destroy capital. The market crashing means that the sale price of shares are reduced temporarily. Shares are still a proportion of ownership in a company. The rich will still own the overwhelming majority of all shares no matter the share price. The reduced prices also allows the rich to buy up shares from ordinary people who had to sell to afford necessities. Capitalists use economic crashes to further entrench themselves.

Even if companies fail and collapse, any valuable assets will be taken by other companies. A crash doesn't destroy capital, it just reorganizes it.

The US has gone through much bigger crashes than this, and none of them dismantled capitalism, and neither will this.

If you want to dismantle capitalism you have to actually put in the work of dismantling capitalism.

I think this line of thought is dangerous. I think you're right that Trump is doing reckless things, and will probably damage some stuff, but cheap stocks do not translate to the working class buying them and taking power. Capital may change hands from one sector of the bourgeoisie to another, but it won't leave the hands of the bourgeoisie. It might spark some unification of the working class because the working class will always bear the brunt of anything that goes wrong, but it's also possible that this frustration may be channeled into fascism.

You can drive a Mack truck through your blindspot.

JDPON Don

No. As much as there are cynical takes about accelerationism by us tankies, no.

Capitalism in a state of crisis cranks up the dial on fascism. Shit is going to get really bad for a whole lot of people who don't have the power to survive the violence of an unashamedly fascist state.

People being snatched up and disappeared to other countries, is a bad thing.

People being unable to get a job or healthcare due to being a member of one minority group or another is a bad thing.

Destroying the systems that try to keep our food and water safe(ish) to eat and drink is a bad thing.

Destroying universal vaccination programs and seeing outbreaks of diseases that were considered contained to the point of being erradicated is a bad thing.

There is not enough of a coherent "left" in the USA to be the vanguard that marshalls the workers you think are going to be comrades against Trump, Fascism, and ultimately Capitalism.

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Da, totally based my commie bros! Class consciosness is when you want the working class to suffer for your vague political ambitions! Migrants being pulled off the streets is totally praxis! We will seize the means of production from the beaches of El Salvadore out of the hands of dead detainees!

In case it wasn't clear, go fuck yourself, psycho asshole.

I don't consider myself a Marxist so I could be wrong, but Marxists would not be a group I would suspect of wanting a haphazard, poorly planned collapse at the hands of a neo-Nazi party. They seem pretty interested in longterm planning and statecraft.

That said, I welcome anyone to join me in celebrating any harm that comes to the US as a nation.

If you're a Marxist, you want an end to exploitation and destruction, you want everyone to be liberated.

I do think Trump gets us there faster than Kamala would have, because of the reasons you stated. He is destroying the US at a pace that is honestly necessary when we consider the climate destruction timeline. If the options are only those two, since no organized revolution is happening in the US by the left, Trump gets us there faster. It doesn't mean we want it, or like it, or are happy about it, because it means death and violence on the most marginalized people. It is probably the best outcome for the world out of those two options, and inshallah it will be the end of imperialism and usher in a new era of growth for the global south. Trump won't necessarily help a left revolution come to power, even if things get bad I'm not sure if Americans will be able to get organized at that level because of other factors, but I do think it is better for the workers outside of America.

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