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TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

  • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
  • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
  • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)

as daily rider, i must add having a tesla behind to the list of road hazards to look out

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[–] keesrif@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (14 children)

On a quick read, I didn't see the struck motorcycles listed. Last I heard, a few years ago, was that this mainly affected motorcycles with two rear lights that are spaced apart and fairly low to the ground. I believe this is mostly true for Harleys.

The theory I recall was that this rear light configuration made the Tesla assume it was looking (remember, only cameras without depth data) at a car that was further down the road - and acceleration was safe as a result. It miscategorised the motorcycle so badly that it misjudged it's position entirely.

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

The ridiculous thing is, it has 3 cameras pointing forward, you only need 2 to get stereoscopic depth perception with cameras...why the fuck are they not using that!?

Edit: I mean, I know why, it's because it's cameras with three different lenses used for different things (normal, wide angle, and telescopic) so they're not suitable for it, but it just seems stupid to not utilise that concept when you insist on a camera only solution.

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[–] arrakark@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What bike is that in the photo?

[–] lando55@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It looks a great deal like a Royal Enfield, but I couldn't tell you which model. A Bullet, maybe?

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[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Elon needs to take responsibility for their death.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 9 points 2 days ago

That's why Tesla's full self driving is officially still a level 2 cruise control. But of course they promise to jump directly to level 4 soon™.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Good to know, I'll stay away from those damn things when I ride.

[–] Nicochucha@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

Commuting in CA feels like I’m navigating a minefield 🤡

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I already do. Flip a coin: Heads, the car is operating itself and is therefore being operated by a moron. Tails, the owner is driving it manually and therefore it is being operated by a moron.

Just be sure to carefully watch your six when you're sitting at a stoplight. I've gotten out of the habit of sitting right in the center of the lane, because the odds are getting ever higher that I'll have to scoot out of the way of some imbecile who's coming in hot. That's hard to do when your front tire is 24" away from the license plate of the car in front of you.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 2 days ago

Good luck. They're fucking everywhere, at least where I live.

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