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When I was in high school I found Sublime Text and learned "multiple cursors". Since then, I've transitioned to vscode, mainly because I need LSP (without too much configuration work) for my work.

I keep hearing about how modal editing is faster and I would like to switch to a more performant editor. I've been looking at helix, as the 4th generation of the vi line of editors. Is anyone using it? Is it any good for the main code editor?

The problem that I have is that learning new editing keybindings would probably take me a month of time, before I get to the same amount of productivity (if I ever get here at all). So I'm looking for advice of people who have already done that before.

My code editing does involve a lot of "ctrl-arrow" to move around words, "ctrl-shift-arrow" to select words, "home/end" to move to beginning/end of the line, "ctrl-d" for "new cursor at next occurrence", "shift-alt-down" for "new cursor in the line below", "ctrl-shift-f" for "format file" and a few more to move around using LSP-provided "declaration"/"usages".

I would have to unlearn all of that.

Also, I do use "ctrl-arrow" to edit this post. Have you changed keybindings in firefox too?

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[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

+1 for Helix. Selection then action always made more sense to me than action then selection.

[–] breakcore@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Helix is absolutely wonderful.

Used to use Vim/Neovim, but the hassle of setting it up and maintaining huge configuration files was a pain (for me).

Also I never really got it working the way I wanted and never had LSP working for all the languages I needed.

Helix on the other hand. My config file is under 20 lines, LSP works super for all my needs. Well thought out keybindings (mostly) and overall a joy to use.

Nice features and fast.

Still a bunch of things missing, it is a rather young piece of software, but I have been using it as my only editor for the last 1 1/2 years.

[–] verstra@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah, keybindings are well thought out. The most off-putting thing of default vim is that there are about 5 different "delete" commands. One for a character, one for the whole line, one for selected text, one for end of line. In helix, this is all just "delete selected text" and then "x" is for selecting a line. Make so much more sense.

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I use Emacs and love it. It's an amazingly frustrating (and just plain amazing) piece of software, but it's hard to move away from it because it's the only thing like it. Maybe if Lem every gets mature enough I might switch.

I probably wouldn't recommend it though as it doesn't sound like what you're looking for.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago

On windows i use vscodium, on linux neovim.

As others say i think helix is cool, but the limited customization is kind of meh for me. I love the keybinds for it though.

[–] Agility0971@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I use neovim but i think helix is honestly better ootb.

[–] wazoobi@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I took a look at Helix when I was trying to learn vim and found it very easy to get started with, but was concerned about missing out on learning more standard vim bindings and functionality.

I found LazyVim + NeoVim got me pretty much the same experience without diverging as much from vim. Mostly I appreciate having access to a cheatsheet for commands.

[–] verstra@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

was concerned about missing out on learning more standard vim bindings and functionality.

What do you mean? Do the standard vim bindings have some specific quality that you are after? Or do you work with many different servers and would have to use what ever editor is installed there?

[–] wazoobi@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well I was mostly looking to learn vim and was trying to use Helix as a way to do that because it looked like vim, but with a commands window that popped up to help learn the commands. They're upfront about making some breaking changes from vim though, and while I may not need to jump into a bunch of different machines that often I do like the flexibility of being able to hop into vi, vim, nvim, or some GUI editors with vim bindings relatively comfortably. So I found that LazyVim was more what I was looking for personally and nearly as easy to work with out of the box.

I am glad to see the project seems to be going strong. That was another minor concern of mine, there's little risk of vim going anywhere, but I remember being excited about the Atom editor a while back and that just kinda faded away. If it passes the test of time I'd be happy to try it again in the future. I figure it would be easier to go from vim -> helix than vice versa.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago

I use the godot integrated code editor, but i am debating switching to writing the code in google slides and copying the text into notepad in a virtual machine

[–] Eyedust@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I used to use VSCodium, but in my quest to touch the mouse as little as possible I switched to Neovim.

[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Throughout my career, I have used (in no particular order)

  • Eclipse (as Android Studio)
  • IntelliJ (as Android Studio)
  • SublimeText
  • VS Code
  • IntelliJ (as IntelliJ)
  • various CLI editors when sshing into servers (vim, nano, a few others)

Switching your muscle memory takes a long time, which is why you have things like spacemacs, or different keybind presets for almost all of these editors.

There is more value in understanding how to extend and customize your editor than in searching for a new one. Use whatever your workplace provides the best support for, and then customize it from there.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There is more value in understanding how to extend and customize your editor than in searching for a new one. Use whatever your workplace provides the best support for, and then customize it from there.

I think there's something to be said for shaking up your environment periodically as well and trying new things. Sure, there's a week where you edit at a snails pace, followed by a month where you edit a bit slower than normal, but different tools really do have different pros and cons.

For the code bases I've worked in, this evolved from necessity as the code files were so large many editors were struggling, the rules for the style so custom that editors can't be properly configured to match, or the editor performance in general was questionable.

I went through a journey of sorts from IDEs to Electron based editors to Emacs and currently am working with Kakoune (and I've passed over a bunch of other editors like Sublime, Helix, and Zed that couldn't meet my requirements or didn't match my sensibilities -- even though a thing or two here or there really was excellent). Pretty much every change has been the result of the editor pain points that couldn't be addressed without actually working on the editor itself.

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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

I just use Vim out of habit. I've been using it as my main text editor since I was like 13 or so, maybe more like 10 I don't really remember. It works perfectly well for the vast majority of my use cases. I use Jetbrains IDEs if I feel I need the power of a full IDE. Jetbrains has an IdeaVim plugin if you want it to be a modal editor, or if your fingers are accustomed to Vim keybindings.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Mostly emacs, vi, or what IDE I happen to be using like Eclipse.

[–] 0101100101@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Amateurs. I use butterflies.

https://xkcd.com/378/

[–] PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

VSCode with the Vim plugin most of the time. Vim if I'm just editing something small and was already in a terminal.

Every IDE worth trying has Vim mode or a plugin for it, you don't need to use actual Vim to benefit from it!

[–] syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 days ago

I've moved on from vim to neovim, and I think I'll continue using something in that family in the future. It's a pretty stable experience overall, but the inclusion of LSPs and tree-sitter have been good improvements too.

Ultimately editors are tools, similar to keyboards, os-es, screens, chairs, shoes and so on. There are some objective quality differences between a well-constructed tool and some slapdash nonsense, and there are a huge amount of subjective quality differences. What suits me may not suit you, and vice versa.

It's generally good to try out some new (to you) stuff and see if you like it. If you do, great; if you don't, well, now you know. I think my worst experience was with Acme (or Wily? can't remember), during a phase where I experimented with Plan 9 stuff. Ultimately very not my cup of tea, but apparently Rob Pike (who made it) and some other gophers still enjoy it? Which is good for them, just like it's good for me that I can choose not to use it. It's just personal tastes, and I still think it's good that I gave it a go.

The debate over holding down modifier keys vs modes is also a part of the Emacs vs vi debate from many decades ago. There might be some statistics for what works best for the most people now, but again, use what suits you. And try some new stuff when you get curious, it's generally good for you.

[–] PapstJL4U@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

VS, VSCode, Sublime, Neovim,

I use Sublime for short scripts in Python, VSCode for angular|typescript, VS for c# and neovim for elixir, elm and all new stuff I learn on my own.

[–] 0x01@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I've used everything, vim, nvim, emacs, visual studio, vscode, sublime, codeblocks, android studio, xcode, bloodshed, intellij, eclipse, VB, geany, dreamweaver, qt, atom, and cursor (even though it’s really just a plugin)

It doesn't matter. It will never matter. I use vscode today because it handles everything I throw at it and it's easy to make extensions for. Or cursor if I'm feeling lazy, the agentic mode with claude is pretty damn good if your codebase is well established.

Don't get hung up on the editor, just use the tools available to get the job done, at the end of the day programming is converting concepts to text.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Sublime text, vi, eclipse, emacs depending what I'm doing

[–] eronth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

VS Code with your favorite plugins is pretty fantastic for any editing in my experience. I've tried others and they do seem to work well, but not well enough to warrant switching, and they often come with quirks that are just annoying enough to make me want to switch back.

I suggest trying others to know what's out there, even if you ultimately end up back on VS Code.

[–] slugr@leminal.space 3 points 2 days ago

neovim. i much prefer the motions of helix, but there’s just some plugins i can’t live without.

[–] troed@fedia.io 3 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Sublime Text.

The only thing I need from my editor is syntax highlighting and not be slow.

(Assembler, C, Python, Java and Bash are the languages I mostly work with)

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[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Why do people use vscode over codium? (Minus the two people who actually know the answer)

[–] AbelianGrape@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I use vim, or spacemacs with evil mode (emacs distribution with sensible shortcuts and vim emulation). Or VSCode with spacemacs emulation.

You will pass your current productivity in less than a month. All of the things you describe are easily done in VSCode with vim emulation (I prefer the full spacemacs emulation but it's not actually a huge difference). You won't have to move your hands away from the normal typing spot on your keyboard -- no home and end, just 0 and $. No control+arrow keys, just w and b (or e or even more motion options). Highlighting is as easy as v and then motion commands. And there are so many more useful things that vim (and vim emulation) make simple and fast. Orthogonal VSCode features like multi cursors still work.

[–] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago
[–] dep@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Dev of 25 years here: Cursor, for the LLM integration. It's based on VSCode, just way tighter AI integration. It's so good.

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