this post was submitted on 21 Jan 2025
2310 points (99.1% liked)

Technology

61195 readers
4189 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
(page 2) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Guns are the only alternative to the tech oligarchy.

You think they can't buy, manipulate, or just crush decentralized social media? If anything they can do it easily, divide and conquer. FOSS ain't gonna free you, esp. when the largest contributors to FOSS projects are big corps.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 43 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That's absurd. Large sharp dropped blades, poison, starvation, spears, looped ropes, fire... There are many alternatives available.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] erotador@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

so we just all buy guns and fend for ourselves? we need communities in order to fight fascism, we need to be able to organize and share valuable information with people. is technology the answer to the problem? no its not, but it is part of the answer, and to ignore that is shortsighted.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (11 replies)
[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (12 children)

It might be the only path forward.

load more comments (12 replies)
[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 31 points 1 week ago (11 children)

There's another alternative, which is no social media at all. There is no particular problem that it solved. If it disappeared, would your quality of life be worse in any way?

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Forums and communities like these were very important for me growing up in the rural US South

[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

Same here. Forums (about science fiction, aeromodelism, electric vehicles) have been important to me, and continue to be important in some fields.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

I could live without all the news and stuff, and I do just ignore it when it gets too much. The ability to communicate with other people across the entire world however is something I really appreciate.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm actually going to suggest; Yes, possibly. But for a very specific reason.

While much of social media isn't ultra necessary, federated social media could be quite essential to collectivising and resisting state and corporate manipulation and propaganda. All other forms of media and news are corporate or state controlled, and thus can construct and project false narritives that are beneficial to their aims, much to our collective detriment.

Social media has become the dominant way that many, possibly most people, see the news, discuss such news with eachother from people around the globe, and build a picture of what's going on outside of their isolated part of the world. I think Noam Chomsky in Manufacturing Consent gives a pretty fantastic argument on the importance of citizen controlled media, and federated social media is about as citizen controlled as it can possibly get. It's non-corporate self-hosted open source software as far as the eye can see! It's not perfect, but holy shit this is as powerful as a tool to diseminate ideas and information on a grassroots level that we've ever had, and we should not underestimate its usefulness in the coming decade.

[–] arararagi@ani.social 19 points 1 week ago

We wouldn't be having this conversation though.

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Let's call it by it's name: neofeudalism/technofeudalism

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In the same way that email has been decentralized from the get go, social media could have been equally decentralized, and I don't mean in the older php forums, but in a different way that would allow people to reconnect with others and maintain contacts.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

1000% agree. There is no freedom but the freedom that we build together.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] kava@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (15 children)

I have a feeling this place and other decentralized social medias will be banned in the near future. Look at what's happening to TIktok. You either bend the knee or you get axed. It's why the other social media giants bent the knee. They understand the writing on the wall. There's more going on behind the scenes that they don't share with us. I think we're sort of watching a quiet coup.

[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 14 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Not saying you are wrong if anything though I think Reddit is probably the next obvious victim after TikTok they'll simply point to the Chinese Tencent who own shares and the next thing you know Musk will be part owner.

Fediverse I think will probably be the last hit simply because it's small and because of the design can't be hit easily, wouldn't surprise me if they just targeted the biggest servers though.

load more comments (10 replies)
load more comments (14 replies)

I want not just decentralized

but peer to peer

like Briar, but Lemmy-style

[–] Lila_Uraraka@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I am so happy I have an account on here, even if some people can be quite abrasive

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 week ago
[–] socsa@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Unfortunately, Lemmy demonstrates pretty clearly that decentralized systems are just as vulnerable to propaganda and brain rot.

[–] ShadowWalker@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So long as it is humans posting this will be a problem. The benefit of a federated system is that you can't compromise the person at the top and then everything collapses.

I just jumped on here today (from seeing this article on Reddit) but my understanding is that the advantage is that the CEO can't decide he wants to suck authoritarian cock and destroy our ability to discuss and/or organize.

(Admittedly I joined the biggest server I could find so I kind of violated that idea as well).

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Humans are vulnerable to propaganda. Lemmy's architecture is against censorship. This helps to push back against propaganda, but only so much. But at least not being censored is a big win IMO.

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
[–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Well it helps, but if you live under an oligarchy they will find ways to stop uncontrolled social media.

You have to address the root of the problem or you will ultimately fail as soon as you get big enough to be a problem.

load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›