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Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"

Update: position got backed up by an official Proton post on Mastodon, it's an official Proton statement now. https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503

Update 2, plot-twist: they removed this response from Mastodon - seems they realize it exploded into their face!

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[–] Rice_Daddy@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Too bad, I was considering their service when my VPN service ran out. Not excluding them outright, but will have to keep a eye on it.

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[–] 7112@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Sad. The way tech companies are changing stripes, we are about to hit a surveillance state by summer

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The US are a surveillance state already. But I guess it could get even worse.

[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

It’s like everyone forgot about the Patriot Act and NSA stuff. This shit has been going on through at least 4 different presidents. And that’s just the modern surveillance state.

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[–] quant@leminal.space 25 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't want to mix tech with politics, but what in the actual fuck?

[–] kalistia@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

How is it possible to not mix tech and politics?

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He went after big tech as a punishment for fact checking the bullshit coming from his administration and his followers. That was it.

Now that all big tech has turned away from democrats (probably as punishment for their antitrust lawsuits), we will see a much different perspective from the Trump administration.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Theres the real problem with repugs. They think they are the "little guy"s

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[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Burned my accounts, moved to Tuta.

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[–] radioactivefunguy@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

I literally signed up for their VPN last night since NordVPN doesn't offer port forwarding. . . Oh well, I can 30 day guarantee it and get mullvad I guess. All I lost was a bit of time setting it up in all my containers, and any respect I had for Proton

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[–] kepix@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"omg, turns out this big tech company is not my friend"

[–] Tja@programming.dev 19 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know if I would describe proton as a big tech company. Even if they were, their whole pitch is "you can trust us".

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Regrading Update 2, maybe the other board members can push his guy out? I'm paid for to the end of the year, so I'll wait it out a bit. I'd rather not jump ship, only to have that ship also go pro fascist too.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

God. Fucking. Dam. It.

I use too many of their services right now to get everything switched over to something else before trump takes power.

The swiss better fucking jail this guy if he hands over data to the us government without swiss court approval, per swiss law.

Now I have to find a new password manager, VPN, and email provider. Open to suggestions, but I want to find services that aren't hosed in the us or by trump friendly countries/companies, and ideally use open source software and zero access encryption.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (14 children)

Biden's pick Lina Khan deserves all the credit for aggressively prosecuting anti-competitive practices. However, Gina Slater looks like someone capable of continuing that work and a legitimate admirer of Lina Khan. Yes there are ties to Vance and the FTC office is likely to end up beholden to the egomaniac in chief. So the whole "little man" thing aside (that's baloney), that's one person that's not a shit stain out of all the shit stains in the incoming cabinet.

Look Lemmy, you're welcome to choose what you want in your life and what you don't. But being too rigid with letting stupid opinions of a project's founder cause you to reject everything, would have you miss the big-picture benefits of having such a project exist. If you look at this Lemmy development co-leader's opinions on transgenderism, are you going to stop using this software that lets you converse on an LGBTQ+ safe-space instance with no involvement on a social level from said developer/founder?

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[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Just some advice for all of you affected by this.

Begin demanding a response from the ownership of this company.

"Is this Message approved by your board, and owners"

Just leaving doesnt make a difference, and some of you in the comments bought services right before this. That fucking sucks.

We dont have journalists and media on our side to help any more(arguably we never did, but that's a separate discussion)

I think there are still good bones in Proton, but you know where at least one piece cancer is, and its in the worst spot. Demand as stakeholders that they remove the cancer or admit its not going to happen. Repeat your messages until they publicy respond as a company not just the head of it.

Its a shame if you dont do at least as much as expressing that they owe you an explanation and that you need the company as a whole, to why this had happened

This is a betrayal to many of you, tell them exactly what they need to do

Good luck. It only takes one of you to suceed and we all win

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[–] flames5123@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Sure. That’s exactly why small businesses thrive in democrat cities, right? And exactly why more small business popped up under Biden, right?

Gimme a break. People are so blind and dumb.

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[–] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

I can understand being fine with a nomination that aligns with his personal interests but from there the journey to « party of small people » likely takes a convoluted path.

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[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

OK let me add fuel to the fire. here in Andy's response he says the tweet was from last year which is technically true but it was from December 2024.

Also how can he think that Trump stands for little guys when he has elon musk as his pet monkey

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

This is a stretch & honestly not worth abandoning proton because of this. Don't just abandon a good FOSS/Privacy project just because of a CEO's (of a frickin Non-Profit in Switzerland) statements, you're too busy arguing & not getting things done Have some nuance guys

Could be 1000+ IQ chess move in disguise, appeal to Trump's ego & get him to make trouble for big-tech Let's see whether this actually affects Proton & decide from there

as a side-note: people from techlore are scumbags

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[–] msgraves@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 weeks ago

well this makes me slightly less fomo'd after going for tuta and mullvad- but i'm probably jinxing it rn ;-;

[–] TootTootComingThru@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago
[–] kaamkiya@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago

Well, that's a platform I'm leaving now.

[–] Rogue@feddit.uk 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Does anyone have links to the dumpster fire of a reddit thread in one or the Proton subs? There was also one of r/privacy but I can't find either so suspect they've been deleted to try to quell the flames.

It was very entertaining drama

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