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[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Some might argue that calling what happens in Gaza a genocide might be hate speach against Israel, and it should be censored. So who decides what is "hate" and what is not?

[–] timmy_dean_sausage@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In your example, there is clear, observable evidence of genocide occurring. They are killing civilians and demolishing critical civilian infrastructure. So, saying Israel is committing genocide has a certain amount of truth/accuracy in it, and the intent isn't to smear Israel, it's to point out what they are actively doing, while the world is receiving constant updates. In other words, there is objective evidence behind the claims.

Hate speech is the opposite. It has no objective evidence behind it, and the intent is to make specific people/groups look a certain way. We can typically infer the intent of hate speech by the words they choose to use, and the way they frame their "argument". We employ critical thinking to do this. This process can also be peer reviewed for further accuracy.

[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

In your example, there is clear, observable evidence of genocide occurring.

I've seen many denying the evidence which seems so obvious to you. Even my government is denying it.

Who decides about objectivity?

[–] timmy_dean_sausage@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

We have footage of them bombing schools, hospitals, shooting up aid convoys... What is there to deny?..

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[–] Mushroomm@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Those arguing objective facts when the point is clear tend to argue from a position of bad faith, and should be ignored. Hence the critical thinking.

Look at what those who are denying genocide in this example have to gain from such a claim. If it's much, those individuals have a vested interest in denying the truth and as such, should no longer be allowed a seat at the table.

There is plenty across history that defines a genocide. Leaders arguing there aren't exact parallels this time around, makes them despot. Complicit is too kind a word.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Some might argue that calling what happens in Gaza a genocide might be hate speach against Israel

Pax­ton Wins Major Case Defend­ing Texas’s Anti-Boy­cott-of-Israel Law

“Texas’s anti-boycott law is both constitutional and, unfortunately, increasingly necessary as the radical left becomes increasingly hostile and antagonistic toward Israel,” said Attorney General Paxton. “Though some wish to get rid of the law and see Israel fail, the State of Texas will remain firm in our commitment to stand with Israel by refusing to do business with companies that boycott the only democratic nation in the Middle East. In this case, I’m pleased to see the court recognize that the plaintiff lacked any standing to bring this challenge. Thus, our important law remains in effect, and I will continue to defend it relentlessly.”

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Censorship or not, tolerance is a social contract, and those who want to undo this system must be stopped by any means possible. Content moderation is actually the compromise.

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[–] walden@sub.wetshaving.social 1 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Lemmy was created because Desaulines(sp?) got "censored" on reddit. Now he famously over-censors his darling instance lemmy.ml.

My point is just that nobody really thinks it should be a free for all. Everyone is human and doesn't want to hear anything that they consider egregious, or in the case of lemmy.ml "against rule 2".

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 3 weeks ago

Well, it is censorship.

People just wake up to a realization that some censorship should exist, and it makes many uncomfortable.

Other than that, don't be tolerant of the intolerant, and you'll be fine.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Advertising is hateful content. Ban the entire marketing industry now please.

[–] b1tstremist0@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Agreed. Let everyone be free to decide. I don't want something shoved to my face 24x7, its inorganic and harmful.

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[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

I feel like it is still censorship, but a degree of censorship required for public safety is tolerable...

Unless he's saying that social media sites policing content on their platform isn't censorship, because it's not. It's only censorship if it's a government doing it, you have the right to control what is said on a platform you own

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago (24 children)

a belief held by most reasonable people and only opposed by Nazis

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