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If all of mankind's energy was supplied through solar panels would the effect be big enough to decrease the temperature (since light is converted in part to electricity)?

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[–] Asetru@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. If a watt worth of sunlight hits the earth, it's transformed into a watt of heat. If it hits a solar panel, it's transformed into some heat and some electricity, which is then used to power something that then transformed it into heat. The only solar energy that doesn't heat up the planet is the one that is reflected back into space, which, however, isn't much for solar panels.

However, if you use a watt of sunlight to power your phone instead of a watt of energy you got from burning coal, this watt of energy instead stays below earth and therefore doesn't heat up the planet. It also doesn't release co2, which would otherwise reduce the atmosphere's reflectivity, trapping even more sun heat on the planet.

So solar panels don't reduce the temperature by not allowing sunlight to heat up the planet, they decrease the temperature by replacing other stuff that would otherwise heat up the planet.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just note that the released energy of burning fossils (or nuclear) is orders of magnitude below what the sun does. It really is only the CO2 from coal (or CO2 and CH4 from natural gas, ...) that does the heating, since it acts like insulation.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, that explanation sounded off to me. CO2 and other greenhouse gases are the issue, not heat directly released from combustion. The sun is doing the overwhelming majority of heating. Carbon staying underground matters far more than watts staying underground.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Technically, if you built enough solar panels in space, they would completely block the sun and massively decrease global temperature

[–] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not directly. That electricity is converted to heat when it's used: All devices are space heaters, some just do other things as well. Even if not used, it would still be converted to heat by the panels. There's no getting around the conservation of energy.

In theory, we could send that power out into space as microwaves or light, but in practice the effect would be negligible. The direct heat output of every human activity is nothing compared to the sun: All the electricity generated on earth is around 3 Terrawatts, while the sun hits us with 200 Pettawatts, 66 thousand times more.

On the other hand, burning fuels releases gasses like CO2, which can traps sunlight and creates thousands of times more heat than the actual amount of power generated. If we stopped burning fuel, it would stop the current massive increase in global temperature, which would then slowly be reversed by things like the carbonate-silicate cycle.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Directly, as you phrased the question: No.

Indirectly: Yes. Because we would automatically stop burning fuels when we get all our energy from solar. That would decrease the temerature a tiny little bit.

But the temerature of the planet does not really depend on such actions. For example, the indirect effects of CO2 and Ozone in the atmosphere have much more powerful impacts - and still they can only change the temperature at the planet's surface (that's what our lives depend on). The whole of the planet is yet another thing.

[–] jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Assuming 25% efficiency, 25% of the sunlight will be converted into electricity. However, once that energy gets used later, most of it will be converted into heat, one way or another. The main way that it will decrease heat being released into the atmosphere is by replacing less efficient methods of energy generation.

For example, it you normally heat a house with a 90% efficient gas burner to generate 900W of heat on average, you are burning enough gas to generate 1000W of heat on average throughout the day. Lets also say the house gets 4000W of heat across its roof on average throughout the day. Thats 5000W of heat being released into the atmosphere total.

Lets now say you convert to solar panels and now get 25% of that energy from the sun converted to electricity, then into heat in the house. Electric heating is essentially 100% efficient, so you get 3000W of sunlight converted directly to heat in the panels, 1000W of electricity which is also turned into heat in the house = 3900W of heat + 100W of extra electricity (turned into heat elsewhere). The 1000W of gas gets eliminated completely.

It probably wont be anywhere near the numbers listed here and batteries will play a huge role in averaging out these numbers due to varying generation and use throughout the day. Additionally this doesnt account for things like cars and othergas based systems which wont / cant be replaced economically, other technologies like radiative cooling paint, and the fact that global temperatures will likely continue to rise due to the continued release of co2 and other gases. It might slightly slow things down though

Converting electricity generation to renewable alone isnt enough to reverse global warming, it would also require converting systens which use gas and other fossil fuels to electric