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That the end of the world feels just a little bit nearer here than it does in some places may not be coincidental to Varoufakis’s having written a new book called Technofeudalism: What Killed Capitalism. Nor that the book comes to the conclusion that capitalism has been replaced with something even worse. Not the glorious socialist revolution that his hero Marx foresaw. Nor some new mutation of capitalism such as the one detailed by Shoshana Zuboff in her surprise 2019 bestseller, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism. We’re now in servitude, Varoufakis argues, to the fiefdoms of our new global masters, Lord Zuckerberg of Facelandia and Sir Musk of the rotten borough of X.

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It’s a big-picture hypothesis rooted in a historical account of how capitalism came into being that describes what is happening in terms of an epochal, once-in-a-millennium shift. In some ways, it’s a relief to have a politician – any politician – talking about this stuff. Because in Varoufakis’s telling, this isn’t just new technology. This is the world grappling with an entirely new economic system and therefore political power.“

Imagine the following scene straight out of the science fiction storybook,” he writes. “You are beamed into a town full of people going about their business, trading in gadgets, clothes, shoes, books, songs, games and movies. At first everything looks normal. Until you begin to notice something odd. It turns out all the shops, indeed every building, belongs to a chap called Jeff. What’s more, everyone walks down different streets, and sees different stores because everything is intermediated by his algorithm… an algorithm that dances to Jeff’s tune.”

It might look like a market, but Varoufakis says it’s anything but. Jeff (Bezos, the owner of Amazon) doesn’t produce capital, he argues. He charges rent. Which isn’t capitalism, it’s feudalism. And us? We’re the serfs. “Cloud serfs”, so lacking in class consciousness that we don’t even realise that the tweeting and posting that we’re doing is actually building value in these companies.

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But perhaps traditional distinctions between left and right don’t make sense any more. The right, Varoufakis says, “thinks of capitalism as like a natural system, a bit like the atmosphere”. Whereas the left “think of themselves as people created by the universe in order to bring socialism over capitalism. I am telling you: you know what, you missed it. You missed it. Somebody killed capitalism. We have something worse.”

The early internet, he says, has given way to a privatised digital landscape in which gatekeepers “charge rent… The people we think of as capitalists are just a vassal class now. If you’re producing stuff now, you’re done. You’re finished. You cannot become the ruler of the world any more.”

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[–] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's just capitalism. Stop it dude.

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I like Varoufakis in a harm reduction sense but this schtick of his is unhelpful. It’s good to describe capitalism’s transformations, but don’t say stupid shit like capitalism is dead.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago

Everyone trying to be super original. Guys the books are a hundred years old and still perfectly relevant.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 years ago

People keep trying to say that this time capitalism is so extra bad that it's actually something different. Crony capitalism, maniacal capitalism, feudalism. This couldn't be the exactly the same system that produced all the monopolies of the last century in which every source of food was (and is) owned by a small cartel of supermarket monopsonies. These people could really use a read or two of Lenin's Imperialism. Capitalism is when market, feudalism is when rent.

I'm still gonna read it when it comes out because data is cool, but what a lib title, and a worse interview.

[–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 2 years ago

Liberals try to do a lukewarm criticism of capitalism without renaming and reframing it to smokescreen "real" capitalism: challenge (100% IMPOSSIBLE!)(GONE SEXUAL)(NOT CLICKBAIT)

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Finance capital superceding industrial capital? I wonder who wrote a book about this > 100 years ago.

[–] vehicom@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can you expand on this? I haven't read too much theory so i'm guessing this is something in capital?

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, i'm specifically referencing "Imperialism, highest stage of capitalism" by Lenin. I'm butchering a lot of it but it boils down to "the concentration of production leads to monopolies, the banks grow from modest middlemen into powerful monopolies having at their command almost the whole of the money capital of all the capitalists and small businessmen, this monopoly stage of capitalism is imperialism."

Techno-feudalism is yet another concept that tries to whitewash capitalism transition to imperialism.

[–] vehicom@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago

thanks! Another reason to finally get around to reading imperialism i guess. Been meaning to for a while.

[–] ImmortanStalin@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago

There are areas in the economy where value is starting to be extracted further and services and ownership are reverting to being rented. This is happening especially now as capitalism is in crisis. The fact that it took until now for this level of extraction is a testament to the labor movement and the real weight of the USSR in the past, and how big that exploitation pie was post 1990s keeping all the monopolies satiated.

That's my short take.

[–] sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Imagine the following scene straight out of the science fiction storybook,” he writes. “You are beamed into a town full of people going about their business, trading in gadgets, clothes, shoes, books, songs, games and movies. At first everything looks normal. Until you begin to notice something odd. It turns out all the shops, indeed every building, belongs to a chap called Jeff.

Isn't this analogous to company towns that paid you in scrip? It seems to me that more people would get behind him if he argued that we've "regressed" to worse capitalist practices than saying that capitalism is dead.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


What could be more delightful than a trip to Greece to meet Yanis Varoufakis, the charismatic leftwing firebrand who tried to stick it to the man, AKA the IMF, EU and entire global financial order?

The house is where Varoufakis and his wife, landscape artist Danae Stratou, live, year round since the pandemic, but in August 2023 at the end of a summer of heatwaves and extreme weather conditions across the world, it feels more than a little apocalyptic.

Stratou and Varoufakis are a striking couple, as glamorous as their house, a cool, luminous space featuring poured concrete and big glass windows overlooking a perfect rectangle of blue pool.

“I have no issues with luxury,” he says at one point, which is just as well because the entire scene would give the Daily Mail a conniption, especially since Aegina seems to be Greece’s equivalent of Martha’s Vineyard, home to a highly networked artistic and political elite.

I’d messaged a bunch of people to ask them what they would ask Varoufakis, including McNamee, and precised the book to him – that two pivotal events have transformed the global economy: 1) the privatisation of the internet by America and China’s big tech companies; and 2) western governments’ and central banks’ responses to the 2008 great financial crisis, when they unleashed a tidal wave of cash.

This encouraged business models that promised world-changing outcomes, even if they were completely unrealistic and/or hostile to the public interest (eg the gig economy, self-driving cars, crypto, metaverse, AI).


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[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Technofeudalism is basically Capitalism

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago

Enshittified capitalism.

[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

No, economic value is still created at the point of commodity production. What happened is that industrial production has been outsourced to the global South and the value is being siphoned in the form of hugely undervalued commodities via unequal trade. This value is used to inflate payouts to the service, financial, and digital sectors in the global North. So looking purely at monetary value at the point of exchange one might come to the conclusion Twitter creates more value than agriculture, metallurgy etc. This is patently false under the labour theory of value.

This is simply the final stage of imperialism and by the way, just notice that imperialists don't start wars over Yandex, Baidu, TikTok etc, they start wars over natural gas, lithium, oil, wheat, access to cheap labour, etc.