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Tesla’s European market share is declining sharply, with EU registrations dropping 40.9% in November 2024 compared to last year, and year-to-date registrations down 15.2%.

Including the UK and EFTA, Tesla’s registrations fell 13.7% this year.

The drop stems from reduced government EV incentives and growing dissatisfaction with CEO Elon Musk.

Despite Tesla’s decline, overall EV registrations in Europe have remained stable as competing automakers gain ground. Tesla remains the largest EV producer in Europe but faces growing pressure from rivals capitalizing on its waning dominance.

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[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 64 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Is there a point where Tesla's board will oust him to save the brand?

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Nope. They are tied to the hip. From what I see the Board are just cashing out as it sinks.

[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 7 points 1 day ago

that would be really funny and i hope it happens

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Who else is on the board besides him and his brother?

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Even his brother tried to get him to back down on all this craziness, but he didn't listen.

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[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

TBH I don't know. I assumed it was a normal board of directors that has a check and balance to the CEO. I should have known it wasn't.

Edit- Actually, there is a traditional board. My question still stands then. https://ir.tesla.com/corporate

[–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The state of Delaware ruled in a lawsuit that the Tesla board is under control of Musk and not really an independent board as it should be

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm guessing Elon endorsing the "drive your car into a crowd of Christmas shoppers" party is not going to help.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

His own cars have already been doing that more than enough. So maybe he feels a bond with AfD over this incident?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Get ready for the "full self-driving" defence.

[–] asymmetric@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He's from Saudi Arabia but he hates islam and thinks the german government conspires to turn Germany into an Islamic country. He has ties to multiple AfD officials as evidenced by his Twitter account.

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

Turns out the real terrorists were the fascists we made along the way...

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You mean apart from parroting AfD talking points and retweeting Elon Musk?

The Elon Musk who endorsed the AfD before the man drove into the crowd?

[–] asymmetric@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I was just asking for context, which I’ve since found (see edit). Chill man ✌🏻

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Sorry, but it's been a major part of this story so it felt like a loaded question.

[–] Chef_Boyardee@lemm.ee 1 points 21 hours ago

Be careful, he lives here.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 87 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's slowly becoming a point of abject loathing. Many of us openly laugh at Tesla drivers, not in the least because they've taken the crown of "deadbeat drivers" from BMW & Mercedes a long time ago. See an asshole on the road? 66% chance it's a Tesla.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If you need to cut someone off, best to do it to a Tesla as the car is likely to prevent collision and you get to piss off a musk simp

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How about not creating dangerous and potentially deadly situations in traffic, no matter how much we disdain the cars brand or think the other driver is an asshole?

You cut off the Tesla, the Tesla breaks, the car behind crashes and the whole thing might turn into a mass accident with dozens of injuries and some people killed...

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How come those gods of capitalism aren’t even that good at running businesses? Seems like the whole thing is a sham.

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[–] LazyGit@feddit.org 49 points 1 day ago

Handed back my model 3 leasing car in September. As long as they are the right wing nutcase is involved I will not buy anything from them again.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

other automakers have stepped up to try and fill the gap left by Tesla,

Absolutely, IMO VW group has made a stellar job with the MEB platform, and are selling very good Electric cars at competitive prices.
VW group has of course the VW ID series, Skoda Enyaq and Elroq, Cupra Tavascan and Born, Audi E-Tron 4-6-8, Porsche Taycan.

This is a very impressive lineup IMO. And generally they have lower noise and better driving comfort than Tesla. Allegedly drive assist systems are way better than Tesla. No sudden phantom breaking, and no weird warnings about traffic that is completely irrelevant. Common for all is that they are all very good cars, without the weirdness of a Tesla. VW group has about 14 distinct models, so you have way better chance of finding a perfect fit than with Tesla.

Apart from that, if you don't give a shit politically, we also have some decent Chinese options. Xpeng is very attractive IMO.

The best selling EV here is the Skoda Enyaq, and that's absolutely with good reason, there is just about nothing to fault on that car IMO, it is also my own personal favorite, although I hate to go mainstream.

To quote Elon Musk:
You'd be a fool to buy ~~anything but~~ a Tesla today.

[–] etuomaala@sopuli.xyz -3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Soon, we'll find out VW's electric line is a scam and they're actually somehow gas-powered. Somehow. I mean sure you never fill it with gas, but

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[–] filister@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

To be honest, VW EVs are extremely boring and overpriced. I would rather buy Volvo, Polestar, KIA or Hyundai. The fully specced ID.3 is something like 53K which is insane for such a small car. Their cars are simply uninspiring.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 4 points 21 hours ago

I've driven Kia, Hyundai, etc. Trust me, you don't want one of those. The Ioniq 5, one of the higher-end Hyundais, has absolutely shit ride quality. I test drove that, got back into my old diesel E-class (and I mean OLD. 2003) and felt like the E-class was the slowest thing ever, but 10x as comfortable as the Hyundai.

I did end up getting a newer car, but it wasn't an EV, it was a 2019 C-class, because it was a lot more affordable than any new car in early 2022 and also way more comfortable than any EV that would've been "only" twice the price I paid. That's because VW or BMW didn't really have a proper lineup yet and MB and Audi were only doing really expensive models.

Now that the Germans have somewhat proper EV lineups and Volvo is turning around as well, the Koreans are just going to be the cheapo EVs, much like they were cheapo ICEs. They can have cool designs, pretty good infotainment, etc... But the ride quality is abysmal because they cheap out on everything that isn't visible or numerically significant.

There's so much in a car that the size alone doesn't tell you, nor do numbers. The Ioniq 5 has a McPherson strut for the front suspension. My C-class (which I've since sold because I now drive so much, I can't justify a car that has room to depreciate, I put 80k on it in the last 8 months), had multi-link front. In the Ioniq 5, I didn't feel very confident cornering at a high speed on a back road. In the C-Class, it was soooo much better. But then you'd think maybe if the Ioniq 5 wasn't as great for spirited driving, maybe it felt better over bumps? Also no, it felt MUCH worse. Way crashier. You could feel every bump in the road. And bear in mind, I didn't even have Airmatic suspension or anything.

Now if you truly can go drive a Polestar, a Mercedes and a Hyundai and tell me that the Hyundai felt like the best car to you - go for it. But personally I've been ruined by the fact that I've driven extremely depreciated luxury cars for 8 years out of the 10 I've had a driver's license and a nearly new executive car the other 2. I can feel every single imperfection in a car's ride quality at this point lol

Ah, an extra fun fact: The best car I've owned in my last ~8 months of driving shitboxes, was a V8 Cayenne. For years I figured "but it's just a Volkswagen with a Porsche badge, it can't be that great", but I was so wrong. The first gen Cayenne isn't as sporty as the newer ones, but it could still corner pretty damn good for a big hunk of SUV, yet handled bumps really well too. It had locking diffs and a low-range transfer case. It was an absolute beast in every way. Unfortunately, one of those ways was fuel economy and though it was OK once I had LPG installed, the tank was so tiny, I had to refuel it every 200 km, so it also had to go.

[–] troed@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Maybe you're talking about the previous models? The platform starting with ID.7 is amazing. Yes, I replaced my Tesla with an ID.7. Two of my friends waited a bit longer and grabbed the GTX ID.7 Tourer model instead - now voted best EV of 2024.

The price of my ID.7 was slightly more than the much smaller Model 3, and way cheaper than Polestar and KIA.

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[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I hate crossovers but I actually like the ~~Taycan~~. I love everything Porsche makes. Too bad I'll never be able to afford one.

I didn't know they had an electric version of the ~~Taycan~~. That's awesome.

Edit - Macan not Taycan

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There has never been a non-electric Taycan, it has always been a pure battery EV

It's also not a crossover. Sedan or wagon. And I can say firsthand that the wagon is outstanding

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You are correct on all counts. I was thinking of the Macan. Thanks!

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll never afford that either. But if the xiaomi su7 was available here at the typical China price + 50%, I'd seriously consider that.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-xiaomi-su7-review-international-first-drive/

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[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Somehow investors will spin this as a positive thing and share price will go up still lol

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure they can spin their way out of this one. The number of new car manufacturers that are spinning up in the last ten years compared to the fifty before it is mind blowing.

I see Tesla getting swallowed whole in a very competitive market in the next twenty years. Their early mover advantage is all but erased.

Edit: and the European manufacturers are catching up fast. I heard the new Renault is a super little car. There will always be some bias to buying European in Europe (as I'm sure is the case with other places, but Tesla had genuine caché for a while). That God awful cyber tank thing will never sell well here.

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[–] Australis13@fedia.io 12 points 1 day ago

Best news I've read all day.

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