I’m not even convinced it’s even real leftists posting this stuff. It often seems like astroturfing. Not only would fake leftists possibly sway undecided voters, but they also tarnish any positivity the left deserves. Win-win for the right.

It's all the fault of the Democrats. If they had run Bernie he would have been voted in and we wouldn't be here.

The fact that Bernie endorses Harris is meaningless, because he's not a real Socialist.

Things I've heard today on Lemm.ee

I’ve had people telling me that I have “blood on [my] hands” because I’m voting for Harris. It’s insane. These people have no fucking concept.

If Harris wins, it will be by razor-thin margin. If she loses, trump wins. If trump wins, the genocide will get cranked up to 11. So voting 3rd party means even MORE “blood on my hands” than a Harris vote.

At least with Harris, there’s a CHANCE she can be reasoned with and stop the bloodshed.

These “Harris = genocide” people are liars, just trying to get trump elected - to sabotage this country.

It sounds like it’s young people (under 25) who don’t understand exactly how bad it will be if trump wins.

I’ve survived a lot of shit presidents. Trump is the first one who actually scares me.

Hopefully they will do the right thing when it comes time to actually vote.

If anything, lefties shouldn't be a single issue voter at all. They should be picking someone who might move toward that direction and have the chance to win, not abstaining.

As the famous word goes: Evil triumph when good men do nothing. You can't abstain or do protest vote and expect anything to change under Trump, that single issue you hold so important will get worst, or even impossible.

But Palestine hurr Durr

You dumb fucks know how many more Palestine's there's gonna be if he gets in? You can kiss Ukraine goodbye, and probably hong kong too. This is nothing.

2016-2020 was the beta test. If this goes into production we're all fucked.

I cringe every time I see this come up.

Because it isn't what you actually mean, and the horrible logic of it makes it easy for the Lemmy Lefties to dunk on.

Of course a 3rd party vote isn't a vote for Trump any more than it is a vote for Kamala.

What it actually is is a discarded opportunity to vote against Trump. Which is also dispicable, but actually accurate.

Everyone knows that's what you mean by this, but the Lemmy Lefties will play dumb and latch onto that logical fallacy every time.

I voted for Obama, Clinton(at an empty polling place BTW), Biden, and will for Harris, all with no snap in my step and a funeral dirge in my heart, just so I can say I used what little power I have for harm reduction.

I'd rather not have fascist scapegoating along with our antisocial, rigged crony market capitalist economy we don't get a vote on sucking us dry as we struggle to subsist. We only get a vote on how to address the social issue symptoms of that economy, if at all, and who to blame, and sadly it's never the private shareholder class that should be.

Let's be clear , we're circling the drain. Inequality will continue to increase as greed induced climate change increases scarcity for the non wealthy masses, D or R, but at least with D, we won't arbitrarily point the finger at brown people and hit them with sticks. That's is the extent of our vote, whether to starve us or starve us while beating us.

We need a new constitution, one that punishes greed, with life imprisonment when applied to politics, and rewards prosocial activity. This country died under Reagan as anything more than a money printer for the tiny class of people that don't see you or as human, just resources to extract MOAR value from.

But since that won't happen, I'll do the right thing without hope in the face of Armageddon, harm reduction. A vote to leave the water pumps running on this sinking ship, nothing more.

The concept that voting for a third-party candidate is somehow "helping" one of the major party candidates is based on the assumption that the third-party candidate's voters would have otherwise voted for one of the major party candidates.

I feel bad for Americans and kids in general. More fascist radicalization pipelines pop up every single day. The money and effort spent must rival most countries GDPs. Just the media organizations alone..

Some days it can feel like standing at the foot of a mountain watching the entire mountain side crashing down.

Then I realize it's just people. People we can step up to. And slap in the damn face.

shortsightedness is a stubborn affliction

all they have to do is point out that they don't live in a swing state and that's it, there's nothing else to say, they just made a strong case and you have no rebuttal

lol

They aren't wrong. At least not in spirit. In a non-stupid system they'd be correct at every level.

Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

Until everybody in the conversation understands the contents of that video, you aren't at the point where you can have the conversation meaningfully. It changes the whole game.

And once they understand it, the remaining conversation may just be a mutual nod of understanding. First past the post is a third party killer, and not because the idiot populace lacks the will. The actual voting math itself is the problem, and ranked choice (or similar) solves the voting math problem in a way that third, fourth, fifth parties can exist and win, instead of debuffing allies and by so doing helping their enemies.

Here are two candidates, and you vetter like one of them, because that's all you get, otherwise we couldn't call ourself a "democracy" anymore.