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Microsoft has told all its employees in China that they will soon only be allowed to use iPhones for work purposes. The ban on Android devices is part of a security-related Microsoft initiative for providing a unified way of managing and verifying employee identities.

The mandate, set to come into effect in September 2024, was announced in an internal memo seen by Bloomberg News. It will require Microsoft's China-based workers to verify their identities when logging in to work computers or phones. The change is part of Microsoft's global Secure Future Initiative that is intended, among other things, to ensure that all staff use the Microsoft Authenticator password manager and Identity Pass app.

While Apple's iOS store is available in China, Google Play isn't. Local smartphone giants such as Huawei and Xiaomi operate their own platforms in the country, but Microsoft has chosen to block access from those companies' devices to its corporate resources because they lack Google's mobile services, reads the memo.

Any staff in the country using Android handsets, including those from Huawei or Xiaomi, will be provided with an iPhone 15, as a one-time purchase. The Redmond giant is designating collection points across China where employees can pick up their iPhones.

Microsoft is also introducing the iPhones-only rule in Hong Kong, despite the Google Play Store being available in the special administrative region of China.

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[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 209 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is less of a "iPhones are more secure" thing and more "Google play is banned in China" thing.

Apple willingly extinguishes freedom of speech to protect app store profits:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/3/23901205/apple-app-store-government-license-china

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/19/tech/china-apple-whatspp-threads-removal-hnk-intl/index.html

[-] Cyberjin@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago

Just going to add to that

Apple removes Hong Kong protest app, Quartz news app following Chinese criticism https://www.techspot.com/news/82284-apple-removes-hong-kong-protest-app-quartz-news.html

Apple’s Compromises in China: 5 Takeaways https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-privacy-censorship.html

Apple limited a crucial AirDrop function in China just weeks before protests https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/30/apple-limited-a-crucial-airdrop-function-in-china-just-weeks-before-protests.html

Apple has stored the data of thousands of customers on Chinese servers and censored apps https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-data-china-censors-apps-nyt-2021-5?op=1

Apple made secret 5-year $275B deal with Chinese government https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/12/07/apple-made-secret-5-year-275b-deal-with-chinese-government

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[-] xep@fedia.io 57 points 5 months ago

Sounds like Google's enterprise features have a dependency on Google Play (and presumably GSF) and Android phones in China can't be turned into work phones as a result. Makes a lot of sense.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 47 points 5 months ago

Any staff in the country using Android handsets, including those from Huawei or Xiaomi, will be provided with an iPhone 15, as a one-time purchase

Fuck off. If you're mandating what device I'm to use for work; you're going to provide said device free of charge, or shut the fuck up when I use whatever I like.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 5 months ago

That’s my read of it, or am I misunderstanding something?

Microsoft will purchase for their Android using employees an iPhone 15. The reference to one-time being that employees are only entitled to one, in the event they were to lose or damage it?

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

I could be wrong; but it came across to me as a "we'll sell you one at a special discount"

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago

Fair enough; it’s a bit vaguely worded and could be interpreted multiple ways.

From my experience, big corporations have always either provided me with company-issued phones for official use, or offered an additional allowance if I’ve opted to use my own personal device.

Then again, given how absolutely absurd some of Microsoft’s recent decisions have been (eg. Recall) - you can’t really be certain.

[-] turddle@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Considering they are designating “collection points” for the phones, I think you read it correctly.

One-time purchase is probably to incentivize not losing/selling your company phone.

[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

In China you don't get to have that opinion.

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[-] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

It's a Google updates issue since they're blocked. Apple isn't but they comply with the Chinese government just as much as they do in the US as does Google. Remember Google is banned because it would not comply with China. How quickly the Americans forget.

Most likely the corporate spyware that Microsoft enables, requires very recent Google services and Apple services to operate. It's pretty standard in the corporate spyware world. Usually just a few months out of date at most.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 18 points 5 months ago

The Redmond giant

One of my least favorite things in journalism. Idk if it is SEO or what but it's so bizarre.

[-] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 5 months ago

It's just a writer seeking to vary their language a bit. It's a trick to keep themselves from repeating "Microsoft" quite so many times in a short span, as too much word repetition can cause readers to "tune out".

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago

That's fair enough, but "the X giant" in particular I see so often. It feels like an in-joke amongst journalists or something.

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[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Nice, no phone means no constant nagging. Thanks MS, always looking out for me.

[-] HyperMegaNet@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

I know you're joking, but having a seperate phone exclusively for work stuff is actually great, specifically because it makes it easier to entirely seperate yourself from work. At my old job, I was given a work phone and it was the only phone number I used for all my work stuff. When I was at work, I would answer it, and outside of that it was off or on silent in my work bag. If they wanted me to answer outside of work hours, they had to pay me on-call rates. The same thing applied to group chats and other work-related stuff like that, (e.g. emails). It all went to that phone, and unless I was being paid to be contactable outside of work hours, I wouldn't be.

The only exception to that was my manager and a select few people who had my personal number for genuine emergencies, and if they used my personal number to contact me asking me about work, it was entirely at my discretion to respond and would mean I'd get on-call pay.

It also meant I could keep my work and personal accounts/apps/etc. completely seperate. If they asked me to download some random app, I could do it on the work phone without worrying about whether they would be able to access other data on my phone or anything like that. Whenever I needed a phone number for 2FA or whatever, I could use the work number and not worry about where exactly that number would end up or how it might be used. For example, I used my work number to register for a conference, and then for months afterwards I would get calls and texts from sales people. That was still slightly annoying, but it was much better than getting calls on my personal phone.

It also meant that when I left that job, I could just wipe that phone without having to worry about having personal data on there, because I never used it for anything except work stuff.

It does sound like Microsoft is asking their employees to pay for an iPhone which is a bit dodgy in my opinion, but I'd still probably take the opportunity to use it completely for work and keep my personal phone seperate. It's easy enough to get another number, and then when you leave that job you can cancel it and get a new number for the next job, cutting that link entirely.

[-] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago
[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 months ago

It says they'll be provided one as a "one time purchase" so I'm thinking it's not free and they have one chance to buy it

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

That's corporate for "we will deduct it from your paycheck".

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

China, so definitely not the same worker protections; but where I'm at, that kind of deduction isn't legal.

[-] viking@infosec.pub 3 points 5 months ago

I'm a senior manager for a company in China, and that isn't legal here either. Pretty sure they'll provide it for free. Even when we are talking about somewhat decently paid employees, that phone easily costs a whole month's salary, potentially more.

[-] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 3 points 5 months ago

Being required such an insane purchase is completely inappropriate... I wonder how old they're allowed to be, this could only be affordable as old and secondhand.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago

I read it as Microsoft will provide it by purchasing it once.

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[-] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Maybe just release AND support some decent phones if your own, Macroshit.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 40 points 5 months ago

Macroshit

It's not necessary to change the name to make fun of them. We've been giggling at the name "Micro Soft" alone for 30 years.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Have you seen Windows 11? I have no faith Microsoft could produce a decent phone OS that would serve users well.

The Microsoft phone was decent, but, yea, their app store was lacking. Shoutout to the Zune, which was pretty good software & hardware from what I can remember.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

I really liked the Microsoft phones 12 years ago.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago

I will forever maintain that on a purely hardware level that the Zune was better than the iPod. iTunes and later the App Store for iPod Touch is what made iPod won. Zune had no apps.

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[-] subignition@fedia.io 6 points 5 months ago

Phone or not, I don't think Microsoft has the ability to listen to their users anymore at all

[-] x4740N@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

The opposite of microsoft is Megahard

microsoft is small and can't get hard

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

But iPhones are made by your own fucking competition, Microsoft.

[-] d00ery@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And Android phones are also made by Microsoft's competitor in many fields.

To me the bigger wtf is why Apple has an App store there, but Android do not.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Android is being used by Microsoft now since Windows Phone didn't really do very well. Their Surface Duo device runs Android. Windows 11 has a "Windows Subsystem for Android" feature... that uses the Amazon Appstore (and is actually getting phased out - the WSA thing, not the Amazon Appstore).

And yeah, I have no idea why the Google Play Store isn't available there, seems like a pretty weird decision. Can you tell I hate geoblocking?

[-] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 5 months ago

Google can't operate Play Store in China because it closed its Chinese offices in response to China attempting to hack them (and several other corporations) back in 2010 (Operation Aurora).

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