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I'm actually surprised that it's that high too
Use this as a chance to leave your echo chamber. Illegal immigration is deeply unpopular, just like banning abortion, or firearm regulation.
That is one area I diverge with the party. Abortion should be legal. Based on the voting, most republicans agree it should be legal. Based on polls, they don’t.
@wintermute_oregon @ryathal Banning abortion beyond the first trimester is popular IIRC
I view body autonomy as a right. Nothing is more sacred than choosing what’s best for you
@wintermute_oregon So you're an anarchist?
Not at all but one of the most basic rights to control of your own body.
@wintermute_oregon My problem is when you use your own body to harm another body, like a 6 year old child, or a fetus
Six year old children are never aborted. A fetus is just a lump of cells. Either people have body autonomy or they don’t.
@wintermute_oregon We're all a lump of cells. Doesn't mean that you or I should be killed.
A fetus isn’t a person. Equating the time is ignoring a fetus can’t survive outside the womb.
I don’t want anyone telling me what I can and can’t do with my body. As such I respect the rights of others to do as they please.
@wintermute_oregon I think we both support human rights, where we differ is when it comes to what is and isn't a human being
*Civil War flashbacks lol*
There's no good argument for why a fetus isn't a person that doesn't fall into either ableism or ageism, which can potentially justify killing people who have already been born. There's a reason you didn't really try to make one here.
Only mental gymnastics can justify abortion.
And there lies the actual problem. Is a fetus a person or not?
@Blamemeta Yes. A person is a living human being. Fetuses count.
I'm not in an echo chamber, but I'm a right winger who listens to a lot of right wing media and presumed that anti-illegal immigration is a predominantly right wing view. I had no idea that had shifted at all, I should listen to more left wing media though.
Immigration is more complex than people make it out to be. I don't think deportations make sense when our border is so porous, the people we deport could just return.
But the biggest problems with illegal immigrants are cartel affiliants and potential terrorism ties. I'd be okay with letting illegal immigrants stay so long as they are participating in a formal process to become citizens, and are not being violent or committing crimes.
It’s even simpler than that. Zero government assistance and actually crack down on employers who hire them. I mean seriously, $500K per illegal hire, then actually prosecute them for doing it. Self deportation is a thing. And fix citizenship rules to end citizenship based on location. At least one parent must be a citizen or at least a permanent resident. No anchor babies.
Once you remove the main incentives to come here for strictly economic reasons, you can focus on folks like cartels and dangerous people because you won’t be overwhelmed by the rest.
The problem is thar doing these things steps on too many political toes on both sides.
If we're not going to do any amnesty, this does make sense.
Of course. This is a serious adult approach to it. Not what we’re doing now.
Sadly there will be an amnesty at some point. I can see the Dems cutting a desk with Trump for a few billion dollars in wall funding in exchange for a ”one time” mass amnesty. I don’t trust that his ego wouldn’t take that deal.
I would rather see amnesty than ICE going home by home breaking down doors and dragging away peaceful illegals, especially if they were brought to the country as children.
But it's all a bandaid on a chainsaw laceration if we're not sealing up the border.
The only place ICE will need to invade is job sites employing illegals. Take away their ability to obtain money and they won’t want to be here anymore.
Nah. I mean, what if they deal drugs and make money that way?
By ridding or at least drastically reducing the illegals who aren’t committing other crimes, you free up resources to go after the ones that are. I’m far less concerned about their doors being kicked down.
They can leave and go through the normal process to come back.
But I’m an admitted hard ass. The big problem is you can’t prove their story. You’ll get flooded with applicants just like we’re getting flooded with “asylum seekers” now.