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Victim reports his father missing. Police instead interrogated him for 17 hours, said they killed his dog, and withheld his meds from the victim. Victim tried to commit suicide in the room. (lemmy.world)

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At one point during the interrogation, the investigators even threatened to have his pet Labrador Retriever, Margosha, euthanized as a stray, and brought the dog into the room so he could say goodbye. “OK? Your dog’s now gone, forget about it,” said an investigator.

Finally, after curling up with the dog on the floor, Perez broke down and confessed. He said he had stabbed his father multiple times with a pair of scissors during an altercation in which his father hit Perez over the head with a beer bottle.

Perez’s father wasn’t dead — or even missing. Thomas Sr. was at Los Angeles International Airport waiting for a flight to see his daughter in Northern California. But police didn’t immediately tell Perez.

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[-] Dreizehn@kbin.social 14 points 5 months ago

Watch "Power" on Netflix and one get the gist. Society needs the police, but there are plenty of sick sadistic mofos in their ranks.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

Society needs the police

Says who?

[-] Astongt615@lemmy.one 10 points 5 months ago

If there are bad people in the police, there would be bad people without the police.

[-] bestagon@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Some people are bad. Why give any of us more power and less oversight than the rest?

[-] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Well that's the real issue, the oversight. It's not that they exist, that's retarded. It's that they have very little oversight, training, or personal accountability. Those things need to be added to the police force.

How anyone wouldn't see that "no police" would lead to either complete chaos, military controlled or a bunch of tiny dictatorships being controlled by the citizens who already owned guns before the police got defunded, which is pretty damn close to chaos, is baffling. The only argument for how getting rid of the police could be a good thing relies on the assumption that only good people will have guns.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago

Centralized, overwhelming military power makes the formation of alternate military power structures impossible.

The idea of a police force is to prevent the formation of a gang with enough violent power to control others.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

a gang with enough violent power to control others.

Sooo... the police exists to prevent the existence of police?

[-] sudo@lemmy.today 3 points 5 months ago

I think you mean the formation of a different violent gang. One that doesn't extrajudiciously represent the owner classes interests.

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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

All this is a path to a police state.

In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

That's the solution.

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